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[Proposal] Get CCP to disclose stuff they spawn for 'community engagement'

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Nanatoa
#1 - 2013-10-05 11:37:02 UTC
With the recent revelations that CCP spawned unique ships for a player organisation to give away, gave the same organisation 30 slighty less unique ships earlier this summer, and dropped extremely rare monocles (which, incidentally, were at an earlier stage also given to the player organisation mentioned before) in an event, it seems that CCP is regularly spawning items worth many billions of isk in the name of 'community engagement'.

If CCP feels this is the right thing to do, they should by all means go ahead. But I do feel it is important that any such spawn is fully disclosed, not only for the community to check who are the beneficiaries, but also because - and I think this is at least as important - to make sure the EVE marketplace operates efficiently and transparently. (A stealth giveaway of 30 ships of which only 81 were known to exist makes those 111 ships overvalued, as the marketplace thinks only 81 exist.)

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-10-06 18:35:16 UTC
I thought about this and would like your opinion on two questions that come to mind.

1) do we want a listing of every niggling thing and who got it? a list of the first 500 to eve vegas so we can see they got a model bs? do free drinks in the bar count?

2) would it generate even more tears of those who think they are ALSO entitles "He got a bigger cookie than me!"

The secrecy issue of the ISW's was questionable and I think above a certain arbitrary limit there should be a level of transparency. But not a complete tell us everything.

How would you have this information disseminated and how would you combat the 'entitles' who declame that their actions are also community oriented and they want their piece of free pie as well?

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#3 - 2013-10-06 20:51:40 UTC
Regarding Question 1.
Personally I would be ok with simply notifications like
* The First 500 people to book Fanfest will receive X.
* The first 500 people in the door at Fanfest will receive Y.
* Two free drinks to anyone drinking with CCP at Eve Vegas.

Regarding Question 2,
I really don't have an answer to that one. If the process for determining 1 is fairly transparent & has certain requirements set out in advance it will help with that.
As an example. (Not saying this is exactly what I'd want, just thinking of a quick example)
Community groups will be chosen once a month (at most) by an internal random lottery at CCP. The pool of community groups is limited to those who have been featured in a Dev Blog & have not previously received a prize.

I don't imagine it would make everyone happy, people would protest the lottery was biased. But at least we would have some idea on how things were done.
Nanatoa
#4 - 2013-10-06 21:45:09 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
1) do we want a listing of every niggling thing and who got it? a list of the first 500 to eve vegas so we can see they got a model bs? do free drinks in the bar count?


I am more concerned with the ingame (market) effects of spawning valuable items. Anything worth more than X billion which is inserted into the economy should be disclosed; anything which is "unique" (i.e. not freely available via either production or LP/AUR stores) should always be disclosed.

Mike Azariah wrote:
2) would it generate even more tears of those who think they are ALSO entitles "He got a bigger cookie than me!"


More transparancy and a clear explanation of how and why receivers get selected will probably lead to less rage than the current situation, where we don't know who got what but do know that one organisation got quite a lot on at least three seperate occasions.

Mike Azariah wrote:
How would you have this information disseminated

A forum thread, a regular dev blog, a site page; anything which is public.

Mike Azariah wrote:
and how would you combat the 'entitles' who declame that their actions are also community oriented and they want their piece of free pie as well?

CCP can defend what they're doing or they shouldn't be doing it. Talk. Explain. Be considerate. Be transparent. Then ignore whoever is still whining.

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-10-08 00:39:18 UTC
Not going to quote for the sake of quoting but thank you to both the above folks for their answers

Now to get them into CCP's mindset.

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None ofthe Above
#6 - 2013-10-08 02:54:47 UTC
Oh hey, that constructive conversation on this topic. I was looking for that. Here is where it was hiding.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#7 - 2013-10-08 03:01:22 UTC
Thanks Mike, if you can drop any return you get from CCP in here (that isn't NDA'ed) that would be appreciated.
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-10-08 03:29:54 UTC
If things work right I won't have to report because CCP will be announcing decisions/changes/whatever themselves.

THAT is how I would like this to resolve, anyhow.

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Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-10-09 00:55:10 UTC
Not the answer but the promise of one

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3713855#post3713855

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Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)/¯