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epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1141 - 2013-10-06 12:42:33 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
.....??? So combat support/espoinage ship with relic and data analysers bolted on should be the definitive exploration ship?
And it has not had it's rebalance yet.
So... No
These ships are not just for doing combat sites, where did that idea come from certainly not from ccp, they specified very clearly what they expected and that was certainly not what they see it as.
Relic and data sites 40 jumps from a base would be exploring would it not? Stratios with +10 just right helios not so much.

Hell, I'll explain more slowly :

A ship with +5 virus bonus can do sites in lowsec.

The Stratios can do combat sites in lowsec.

The Stratios ALSO have +5 virus bonus, so the Stratios can ALSO do relic/data sites in lowsec.

Hence, the Stratios is able to do ALL sites of lowsec.

No other ship but T3 share this abilities.

Hence Stratios AND T3 are the BEST ship to do exploration as a whole in lowsec.

If you don't care about combat sites, you don't need combat ability.

Hence Half the Stratios is USELESS.

Hence a covops will be better for relic/data sites only.

If you want to do everything in nullsec, you have the T3 which can do everything, from combat to relic/data with +10 virus bonus. Look :

Stratios will not be ideal for real nullsec combat sites (not enough tank).

So if Stratios get +10 virus bonus, it will only do relic/data sites in nullsec.

So its combat cabilities will be USELESS.

Hence the Stratios is not ideal for nullsec, but nevermind, T3 already fill the gap.

You are making assumptions based on what, of course i will use it, in wormholes in combat sites to defend myself and yes PvP where appropriate.
And NO in my experience it will not do relic and data sites worth a damn in null with +5 waste of time why bother sitting there like a victim wasting my time and effort for nothing but a burst can .hell I would gank me.
I have not focused on the combat side, there are enough people screaming at the top of their voice about that, just because i have stayed out of that you assume. I am a carebear? Great.
This is meant to be an all round exploring ship.
I want it to be so
Where's the problem?

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1142 - 2013-10-06 12:47:32 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
I agree ALL OF THOSE. So being able to explore would be rather nice, and please stop quoting your test,you will never convince us that your test replicates the experience we see every day, you may not believe us, but we would not be so persistant if we did not believe our own eyes.

If you don't believe screenshots, there's nothing we can do for you, and you contribute nothing to the discussion as you refuse facts. There would be then no reason we even read you, because you would only be a stubborn idiot it's impossible to discuss with.



Ps your alt is showing
I think you meant to use your other account mmmm?

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#1143 - 2013-10-06 12:47:54 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Where's the problem?

The problem is that there are other ships too who want to be flown, and there are already ships to do what you want. So why do you want, in fact, THIS speific ship to do something you already have plenty of ship to do it ?
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1144 - 2013-10-06 12:51:12 UTC
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Where's the problem?

The problem is that there are other ships too who want to be flown, and there are already ships to do what you want. So why do you want, in fact, THIS speific ship to do something you already have plenty of ship to do it ?

Because it is The exploration ship we have been promised and waited for.
I refuse to get into a discussion where you use two accounts to try to drown out other people.
Every reply i recieve from you will be replied to as simply suspected alt posting please ignore.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1145 - 2013-10-06 12:53:09 UTC
TL;DR:

People still haven't realized that Bouh is a complete idiot, who has no clue of what he's talking about.

Moving on.

I see we still have no dev response to the thread as of yet, although I attribute that to the weekend. So, to sum up this whole thing:

Some people want +10 virus strength. Their opponents mostly consist of "But what about cov ops frigates?" and "+5 is just fine", frequently the same people.

Some people want bandwidth lowered. Their opponents point out that the ship's main role, doing DED sites, would be crippled if you lowered the bandwidth.

Some people want more highslots/turrets on the frigate. Haven't really seen much opposition to this.

Some people want the laser bonus removed, some people want lasers more prominent on the cruiser's makeup. It has been pointed out that the cap bonus, and lasers on this ship in general, do not help it with any of the things it is supposed to do; that being data/relic sites, DED sites (because they need longer range than a turret can give) and ganking (because you can engage at 2k with the cloak).

And that's about what I have seen covered on here. That sum it up pretty well?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1146 - 2013-10-06 12:54:38 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
TL;DR:

People still haven't realized that Bouh is a complete idiot, who has no clue of what he's talking about.

Moving on.

I see we still have no dev response to the thread as of yet, although I attribute that to the weekend. So, to sum up this whole thing:

Some people want +10 virus strength. Their opponents mostly consist of "But what about cov ops frigates?" and "+5 is just fine", frequently the same people.

Some people want bandwidth lowered. Their opponents point out that the ship's main role, doing DED sites, would be crippled if you lowered the bandwidth.

Some people want more highslots/turrets on the frigate. Haven't really seen much opposition to this.

Some people want the laser bonus removed, some people want lasers more prominent on the cruiser's makeup. It has been pointed out that the cap bonus, and lasers on this ship in general, do not help it with any of the things it is supposed to do; that being data/relic sites, DED sites (because they need longer range than a turret can give) and ganking (because you can engage at 2k with the cloak).

And that's about what I have seen covered on here. That sum it up pretty well?


Sums it up very well

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1147 - 2013-10-06 13:28:45 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Where's the problem?

The problem is that there are other ships too who want to be flown, and there are already ships to do what you want. So why do you want, in fact, THIS speific ship to do something you already have plenty of ship to do it ?

Because it is The exploration ship we have been promised and waited for.
I refuse to get into a discussion where you use two accounts to try to drown out other people.
Every reply i recieve from you will be replied to as simply suspected alt posting please ignore.

Or it could you know be 2 different people who genuinely disagree with what you have to say.
My characters all have something in common btw and they all also have positive sec status.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1148 - 2013-10-06 13:32:05 UTC
Kane Fenris wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
CCP Rise, remember the Dominix.


allthough i understand you and sympathize with you this is no valid argument ...

you could say Rise remember the tempest? (ppl said they'll suck and they do so)

(this is also no argument, players are sometimes right and somtimes wrong but which, that can only be proven by facts)

The reason I used the Dominix was it was speculated to be overshadowed by other ships and it turned out to not be.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1149 - 2013-10-06 13:36:46 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Nyancat Audeles wrote:
How's this for better stats?


Astero

Role Bonus: 100% reduction in CPU requiement for cloaks
Role Bonus: 37.5% increase Scan Prob Strength (maybe this should be a rounder number? right now it follows the t1 bonus)
Role Bonus: +10(+5) Virus strength for Relic and Data Analyzers

Can fit Covert Ops Cloaking devices

Amarr Frigate Bonus:
4% bonus to Armor Resists
OR
+5m^3 drone bay per level

Gallente Frigate Bonus:
20% bonus to drone hitpoints
10% bonus to drone hitpoints and optimal range

Slot layout: 3H(+1), 4M, 3L(-1); 2 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 32 PWG, 170 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 480(-80) / 660(+60) / 620(+20)
Capacitor (amount) : 430
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 312 / 2.87 / 975000 / 3.88s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 / 75
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 37km / 620 / 6
Sensor strength: 13
Signature radius: 35
Cargo Capacity: 210


Stratios

Role Bonus: 50% reduction in Energy Turret capacitor need
Role Bonus: 37.5% bonus to Energy Turret tracking and optimal range
Role Bonus: 37.5% increase Scan Prob Strength
Role Bonus: +10(5) Virus strength for Relic and Data Analyzers

Can fit Covert Ops Cloaking devices

Amarr Cruiser Bonus:
4% bonus to Armor Resists

Gallente Cruiser Bonus:
10% bonus to Drone hitpoints and damage

Slot layout: 5H, 5M, 5L; 3 turrets (-1) , 0 launchers
Fittings: 920 PWG, 400 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1450(-500) / 2400 / 2450
Capacitor (amount) : 1700
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 182 / .47 / 9350000 / 6.09s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 500
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km / 275 / 7
Sensor strength: 20
Signature radius: 150
Cargo Capacity: 550


What these changes accomplish:

ASTERO:
The Astero is made a better frigate overall - with the loss of a lowslot, there is now potential for better drone application and better damage. It should be great for doing the lowest level complexes and blitzing L1s and L2 in hostile space - maybe even better performance in wormhole space! Since there's no gun bonus and not too much tank, it won't be overpowered when it comes to PvP. The +5 virus strength will be a welcome bonus to those of us who do sites in nullsec (this can be changed back if it overshadows other ships too much). The loss of shield HP makes it so this can not be turned into an OP PvP brawler because of 4 mid slots.

STRATIOS:
The loss of a turret slot on the Stratios minimizes the potential for the neutron fits that some people think are OP (despite them being complete glass cannons)- yet damage application will be better for PvE'ers, making this ship more capable in PvE and less capable in PvP. The loss of shield HP prevents the efficiency of pure shield gank fits.

Very well thought out it Looks good, I think you forgot to put the + 10 virus strength on the straatios too, need it just the same as they both will probably explore the same areas.
Hopefully on the new server image it will accurately reflect tq so we can try it out


Not sure about the +10 virus strength. It seems to be more of a combat ship, rather than exploration (like the Astero), which is why I gave the Astero +10 and left this with +5. It's really up to CCP though.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1150 - 2013-10-06 13:43:21 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Where's the problem?

The problem is that there are other ships too who want to be flown, and there are already ships to do what you want. So why do you want, in fact, THIS speific ship to do something you already have plenty of ship to do it ?

Because it is The exploration ship we have been promised and waited for.
I refuse to get into a discussion where you use two accounts to try to drown out other people.
Every reply i recieve from you will be replied to as simply suspected alt posting please ignore.

Or it could you know be 2 different people who genuinely disagree with what you have to say.
My characters all have something in common btw and they all also have positive sec status.


Nope. Your grammar and punctuation structure are exactly the same. I also had identified you as a Bouh alt. It's not an unwise decision though, given how Bouh has an overall reputation as a total moron in F&I.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1151 - 2013-10-06 13:45:13 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Where's the problem?

The problem is that there are other ships too who want to be flown, and there are already ships to do what you want. So why do you want, in fact, THIS speific ship to do something you already have plenty of ship to do it ?

Because it is The exploration ship we have been promised and waited for.
I refuse to get into a discussion where you use two accounts to try to drown out other people.
Every reply i recieve from you will be replied to as simply suspected alt posting please ignore.

Or it could you know be 2 different people who genuinely disagree with what you have to say.
My characters all have something in common btw and they all also have positive sec status.



Whats the phrase from Shakespeare, Hamlet i recall, methinks thou doth protest too much, I never said it was you whose alt it was?
Thank you for the confirmation.

Isn't this now forbidden by Ccp's new terms and conditions?
People really should not be using multiple accounts to influence devs decisions.

Anyway thank you for the confirmation we all know now to ignore both of you.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1152 - 2013-10-06 13:47:57 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Where's the problem?

The problem is that there are other ships too who want to be flown, and there are already ships to do what you want. So why do you want, in fact, THIS speific ship to do something you already have plenty of ship to do it ?

Because it is The exploration ship we have been promised and waited for.
I refuse to get into a discussion where you use two accounts to try to drown out other people.
Every reply i recieve from you will be replied to as simply suspected alt posting please ignore.

Or it could you know be 2 different people who genuinely disagree with what you have to say.
My characters all have something in common btw and they all also have positive sec status.



Whats the phrase from Shakespeare, Hamlet i recall, methinks thou doth protest too much, I never said it was you whose alt it was?
Thank you for the confirmation.

Isn't this now forbidden by Ccp's new terms and conditions?
People really should not be using multiple accounts to influence devs decisions.

Anyway thank you for the confirmation we all know now to ignore both of you.


You better biomass both of these accounts now youv'e been caught red handed. No one will take any account of anything either of your alts say.And if you don't I'm pretty sure CCP will, they don't like being taken for fools.



Ps now that unpleasantness is out of the way, may we have our +10 virus strength please Big smile

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1153 - 2013-10-06 13:56:37 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Where's the problem?

The problem is that there are other ships too who want to be flown, and there are already ships to do what you want. So why do you want, in fact, THIS speific ship to do something you already have plenty of ship to do it ?

Because it is The exploration ship we have been promised and waited for.
I refuse to get into a discussion where you use two accounts to try to drown out other people.
Every reply i recieve from you will be replied to as simply suspected alt posting please ignore.

Or it could you know be 2 different people who genuinely disagree with what you have to say.
My characters all have something in common btw and they all also have positive sec status.


Nope. Your grammar and punctuation structure are exactly the same. I also had identified you as a Bouh alt. It's not an unwise decision though, given how Bouh has an overall reputation as a total moron in F&I.

Wow so knowing proper sentence structure automatically makes you someone's alt huh?

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#1154 - 2013-10-06 13:58:51 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Nope. Your grammar and punctuation structure are exactly the same. I also had identified you as a Bouh alt. It's not an unwise decision though, given how Bouh has an overall reputation as a total moron in F&I.

Haha ! That's absolutely epic !

I guess you never imagin english could simply not be our native language, no we must be the same person.

I'm glad though I've been able to personify your total inability to argue with someone without falling back to insulting him.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1155 - 2013-10-06 13:59:04 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Where's the problem?

The problem is that there are other ships too who want to be flown, and there are already ships to do what you want. So why do you want, in fact, THIS speific ship to do something you already have plenty of ship to do it ?

Because it is The exploration ship we have been promised and waited for.
I refuse to get into a discussion where you use two accounts to try to drown out other people.
Every reply i recieve from you will be replied to as simply suspected alt posting please ignore.

Or it could you know be 2 different people who genuinely disagree with what you have to say.
My characters all have something in common btw and they all also have positive sec status.



Whats the phrase from Shakespeare, Hamlet i recall, methinks thou doth protest too much, I never said it was you whose alt it was?
Thank you for the confirmation.

Isn't this now forbidden by Ccp's new terms and conditions?
People really should not be using multiple accounts to influence devs decisions.

Anyway thank you for the confirmation we all know now to ignore both of you.

You are a ******* idiot.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#1156 - 2013-10-06 14:00:28 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
You better biomass both of these accounts now youv'e been caught red handed. No one will take any account of anything either of your alts say.And if you don't I'm pretty sure CCP will, they don't like being taken for fools.

Ps now that unpleasantness is out of the way, may we have our +10 virus strength please Big smile

You are even worse than a 5 years old child crying for its christmass gift...
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1157 - 2013-10-06 14:01:29 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Give up already, you are blown, you also make the mistake of posting replies to the wrong account.
You are so obvious it is painful.
And you have also unwittingly confirmed it yourself, and if you cannot understand that wait for the banhammer.

Any future replies will be marked Ccp attempted use of multiple accounts to influence developers please investigate and ban

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#1158 - 2013-10-06 14:12:39 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Give up already, you are blown, you also make the mistake of posting replies to the wrong account.
You are so obvious it is painful.
And you have also unwittingly confirmed it yourself, and if you cannot understand that wait for the banhammer.

Any future replies will be marked Ccp attempted use of multiple accounts to influence developers please investigate and ban

Your ability to build a fantasy and live in it is absolutely wonderful !

But please report me to CCP ! They will be very pleased to lose their time because of a child completely inapt to accept arguments he's not ready to believe in. :-)
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1159 - 2013-10-06 14:13:30 UTC
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Give up already, you are blown, you also make the mistake of posting replies to the wrong account.
You are so obvious it is painful.
And you have also unwittingly confirmed it yourself, and if you cannot understand that wait for the banhammer.

Any future replies will be marked Ccp attempted use of multiple accounts to influence developers please investigate and ban

Your ability to build a fantasy and live in it is absolutely wonderful !

But please report me to CCP ! They will be very pleased to lose their time because of a child completely inapt to accept arguments he's not ready to believe in. :-)



Ccp attempted use of multiple accounts to influence developers please investigate and ban

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1160 - 2013-10-06 14:44:47 UTC
The almost instantaneous time between both of their responses blew it for him.

Methinks he doth protest too fast.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.