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Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#701 - 2013-10-06 07:48:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Argus Sorn
I'd like to issue a simple comparison:

http://omg.la/bs/

Third party site. It requires no isk from me, no information from me, grants me access to lots of nifty goodness without profiting the owner one bit. While it does not tell me Chribba's real name, it does provide me with a nice little out of game email. It makes no attempt to market Chribba's in game services at all. In fact is blatantly avoids this sort of activity. This says to me, "I am a third party supporting EVE, and I am not trying to meddle with anything in game, just help you out. In fact, if you need to contact me out of game, here you go." There are literally no strings attached.


VS.


http://cogdev.net/

Nifty looking site. Would appear to be some sort of out of game development corporation, but clicking on anything quickly provides you with the same SomerBLINK page. There is no out of game contact information, no service offered to me other than the chance to gamble in their program and thus for them to make profit. I have to register to even do anything of interest. Clicking register reveals that I must trust the website, providing them with information about my character and location in game. This is all well and good - in fact they are rather unobstrusive, not asking for any API data, etc.. It is a great IN GAME site.

But it promises nothing in regards to their business practices, provides no out of game contact information and is clearly designed to do one thing: MAKE ISK.

Saying SomerBLINK is the epitomy of third part sites is like saying that the guy who stocks my local 0.0 market is a great third party contributor. You should find the guy out there who stocks the most markets successfully and get him to run your EVE Store since there is clearly a correlation in your mind between the ability to do something successfully in a game and in real life.

Please, don't get me wrong. I don't fault SomerBLINK other than to assert that it would have been more ethical for them to turn down any gifts or 'real world' contracts/offers from CCP. But they run a solid site that people enjoy and if they are skimming and shilling, well hey, that's EVE. But they aren't a 'fansite'. They provide no free service, they are MAKING ISK.


Anwyay I've posted too much on this - just too much time today. But I've thought it over and basically this comes down to these four things:

1) SOMERblink is not the contributor to the EVE community that CCP seems to think it is. They are good, and provide gambling content, but that is it. They are no different than EOH or other gambling sites. And their website is just designed to make it easier to give them isk, it is not a fansite or even a community site. Look to Chribba's as well as other people's work for that.

2) CCP should handle giving out high value prizes itself. They shouldn't endorse a third party site that is designed purely for in game profit making, with no out of game presence or recourse to give away these things. Not everyone puts equal faith in these third party sites - and it is especially true when it is basically an "in game" only site, with restrictions that would make the prize distribution potentially unfair. As good an idea as using third parties to give out prizes and promos may have seemed, it is not. Especially when the company chosen is an in-game company. Use Ten Ton Hammer, Battleclinic, or some other out of game site that has no role in the EVE economy.

3) CCP, it is your right to reward people you think contribute to the game. We the players find it a little odd that you view making isk a contribution, but hey its your show. But don't give away items of high in game value, in fact the only way to do this well is not give away in game items at all. Artwork, ship models, etc., would recognize people who helped - but not affect the in game economy in any way.

4) CCP needs to think closely about who they partner with for out of game give-a-ways and whom they reward with ships and other promos. They should keep in mind that even the perception of impropriety is a problem and avoid it at all costs. Partnering with entities who's primary purpose is to make in game isk is not in congruence with this principle and should be avoided.
Mra Rednu
Oyonata Gate Defence Force.
#702 - 2013-10-06 08:10:33 UTC
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
Meh call my cynical but I think its probably true. CCP seems to have quite the history with gross PR incompetence and a history in failing to learn from previous mistakes.


Indeed, maybe instead of giving these guys a backhander they should actually go learn from them and maybe hire a few to do some marketing for them, seriously if no one at CCP can see what Somer is then they really need to get someone with a bit of buisness sense on board, fair to say there a lot of better buisness people playing Eve than making it.
Shirley Serious
Gutter Press
#703 - 2013-10-06 08:24:36 UTC
What happened to just putting an ingame monument with names on it, to reward players for their contributions to the wider EVE community ?

That's been done before.

As has making ingame objects (with no particular use) with players names on them.


Instead of all these Gold Magnates, Guardian Vexors, and Ishukone Scorpions, CCP should just have thrown up an ingame monument outside a station of Somer's choice.

But now it's too late.

Julius Caesar wrote:
Alea iacta est

Could say CCP have crossed the Rubicon, as regards community relations.

Just the facts.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#704 - 2013-10-06 10:45:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Chribba
Argus Sorn wrote:
I'd like to issue a simple comparison:

http://omg.la/bs/

Third party site. It requires no isk from me, no information from me, grants me access to lots of nifty goodness without profiting the owner one bit. While it does not tell me Chribba's real name, it does provide me with a nice little out of game email. It makes no attempt to market Chribba's in game services at all. In fact is blatantly avoids this sort of activity. This says to me, "I am a third party supporting EVE, and I am not trying to meddle with anything in game, just help you out. In fact, if you need to contact me out of game, here you go." There are literally no strings attached.


VS.


http://cogdev.net/

Nifty looking site. Would appear to be some sort of out of game development corporation, but clicking on anything quickly provides you with the same SomerBLINK page. There is no out of game contact information, no service offered to me other than the chance to gamble in their program and thus for them to make profit. I have to register to even do anything of interest. Clicking register reveals that I must trust the website, providing them with information about my character and location in game. This is all well and good - in fact they are rather unobstrusive, not asking for any API data, etc.. It is a great IN GAME site.

But it promises nothing in regards to their business practices, provides no out of game contact information and is clearly designed to do one thing: MAKE ISK.

Saying SomerBLINK is the epitomy of third part sites is like saying that the guy who stocks my local 0.0 market is a great third party contributor. You should find the guy out there who stocks the most markets successfully and get him to run your EVE Store since there is clearly a correlation in your mind between the ability to do something successfully in a game and in real life.

Please, don't get me wrong. I don't fault SomerBLINK other than to assert that it would have been more ethical for them to turn down any gifts or 'real world' contracts/offers from CCP. But they run a solid site that people enjoy and if they are skimming and shilling, well hey, that's EVE. But they aren't a 'fansite'. They provide no free service, they are MAKING ISK.


Anwyay I've posted too much on this - just too much time today. But I've thought it over and basically this comes down to these four things:

1) SOMERblink is not the contributor to the EVE community that CCP seems to think it is. They are good, and provide gambling content, but that is it. They are no different than EOH or other gambling sites. And their website is just designed to make it easier to give them isk, it is not a fansite or even a community site. Look to Chribba's as well as other people's work for that.

2) CCP should handle giving out high value prizes itself. They shouldn't endorse a third party site that is designed purely for in game profit making, with no out of game presence or recourse to give away these things. Not everyone puts equal faith in these third party sites - and it is especially true when it is basically an "in game" only site, with restrictions that would make the prize distribution potentially unfair. As good an idea as using third parties to give out prizes and promos may have seemed, it is not. Especially when the company chosen is an in-game company. Use Ten Ton Hammer, Battleclinic, or some other out of game site that has no role in the EVE economy.

3) CCP, it is your right to reward people you think contribute to the game. We the players find it a little odd that you view making isk a contribution, but hey its your show. But don't give away items of high in game value, in fact the only way to do this well is not give away in game items at all. Artwork, ship models, etc., would recognize people who helped - but not affect the in game economy in any way.

4) CCP needs to think closely about who they partner with for out of game give-a-ways and whom they reward with ships and other promos. They should keep in mind that even the perception of impropriety is a problem and avoid it at all costs. Partnering with entities who's primary purpose is to make in game isk is not in congruence with this principle and should be avoided.
Clearly, I did **** wrong seeing as it appears that if you create for-profit things, you get awarded even more by CCP compared to those that has the goal of improving and growing the community.

Not that I would change things because I've done it all for the community, clearly getting a second job would net me more money(and indirectly isk) if that is what would matter to me.

For me, the reward of being recognized by community and CCP via spotlights and comments of appreciation has been driving me to keep doing things. But with that in mind now, knowing that perhaps you can earn billions and trillions by always looking at the ISK profit I foresee lots of future services and dedication to be aimed directly at that very goal.

tbh if I could vote anyone to receive things like this, without a doubt I'd put all my votes on EVE-Uni and RvB, those are role models if there ever was any! Go to FanFest... EVE-Uni has set up their own "booth", talking, sharing, storytelling anyone who is interested - two words come to mind there, dedication and content.

/c

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Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Twitter @ChribbaVeldspar
Zee Space Plane
Doomheim
#705 - 2013-10-06 11:02:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Zee Space Plane
Chribba wrote:

tbh if I could vote anyone to receive things like this, without a doubt I'd put all my votes on EVE-Uni and RvB


Neat. You picked two corps that blinks give hundreds of billions to. While you're busy floating around in your not-profiting 4 mining titans or dozens of AT ships, how much have you given those two corps?

And while we're at that - how much RL cash have you made off those RMT banners on your websites? Noticed you were flying to two eve conventions in the same month. Vegas and Australia.

Where can I sign up for not profiting with international travel and multiple titans?
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#706 - 2013-10-06 11:16:24 UTC
Zee Space Plane wrote:
Chribba wrote:

tbh if I could vote anyone to receive things like this, without a doubt I'd put all my votes on EVE-Uni and RvB


Neat. You picked two corps that blinks give hundreds of billions to. While you're busy floating around in your not-profiting 4 mining titans or dozens of AT ships, how much have you given those two corps?

And while we're at that - how much RL cash have you made off those RMT banners on your websites? Noticed you were flying to two eve conventions in the same month. Vegas and Australia. Must be good money.

That doesn't explain why CCP didn't give directly to them now does it? I've given lectures/guest speeches to EVE-Uni, I've applauded RvB ops in local. Have not donated any ISK no, but have had the pleasure of showing my appreciation of what they do in other ways - I hope at least - only them can answer if it was enough or not really.

As for banners, 1) hosting costs, how much have you paid me for hosting files/videos that you might have clicked and viewed... 2) look into how google ads work and the constant battle of trying to block RMT sites from being shown

As for me flying to conventions, are you reviewing my expenses or have any clue what I decide to put my money on? I do have a job you know lol if I decide to eat noodles for 6 months to fly to some eve meets how does that even relate to me not being given gifts in-game?

/c

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Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Twitter @ChribbaVeldspar
Zee Space Plane
Doomheim
#707 - 2013-10-06 11:28:57 UTC
I'd be happy with the recognition and community appreciation that resulted in hundreds of billions in limited ships, titans, and an outpost too.

And, just to make sure I understand - you "supported" those two organizations by talking to them and cheering at them in local?

How incredibly full of yourself are you that you think that counts as support at all, to anyone?

If I cheer for RVB in local, can I cry at how wounded I am that my amazing support of them isn't recognized?
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#708 - 2013-10-06 11:41:40 UTC
Zee Space Plane wrote:
I'd be happy with the recognition and community appreciation that resulted in hundreds of billions in limited ships, titans, and an outpost too.

And, just to make sure I understand - you "supported" those two organizations by talking to them and cheering at them in local?

How incredibly full of yourself are you that you think that counts as support at all, to anyone?

If I cheer for RVB in local, can I cry at how wounded I am that my amazing support of them isn't recognized?
Perhaps I am full of myself, but both EVE-Uni and RvB asked me to "make an appearance", at least to me counts as a "support". So it seems that they did appreciate that support, but hey I could be all wrong and I was tricked into thinking that they wanting me to talk and show up was just a troll - which I then obviously fell for.

But then, obviously it was enough for you to use an alt that is 4 hours old... too afraid to post your views on your main?

/c

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Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Twitter @ChribbaVeldspar
Zee Space Plane
Doomheim
#709 - 2013-10-06 11:46:06 UTC
Oh no. A "fite me on ur main!" post.

I guess if talking to your fanboys counts as supporting them, Mintchip is a big Chribba supporter, huh?

But you still haven't explained how you haven't profited your way into all those limited edition ships. I'd like to hear that answer before your fanboys show up to "support" you.
Zee Space Plane
Doomheim
#710 - 2013-10-06 11:48:59 UTC
Forgot what I came here to post to start with while kicking the *****.

CCP - don't give ingame **** to anyone. Hypocritical fanboys or lotto mongers.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#711 - 2013-10-06 11:50:43 UTC
Zee Space Plane wrote:
Oh no. A "fite me on ur main!" post.

I guess if talking to your fanboys counts as supporting them, Mintchip is a big Chribba supporter, huh?

But you still haven't explained how you haven't profited your way into all those limited edition ships. I'd like to hear that answer before your fanboys show up to "support" you.


Easy, I've worked, done industry, missions and trading as well I have built a reputation that enables me to conduct 3rd party service for which I charge a fee, over the course of 8 years building reputation and providing service I've earned ISK that allowed me to purchase some of the AT ships as well as supercapitals.,

Anything unclear?

/c

★★★ Secure 3rd party service ★★★

Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Twitter @ChribbaVeldspar
Liam Todd Bloodstar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#712 - 2013-10-06 11:54:13 UTC
Above idiots are arguing nothing...

Anyway, It has been said in the other thread that SommerBlink profited 35 Trillion ISK from the CCP gifts... Now of course add in the new ships they were given.

35 Trillion ISK equates to just under $1 million in translation to PLEX.

Watch for the RMT on this one.


F this garbage, Im out
Embarased for You
Oooooo Burn
#713 - 2013-10-06 11:55:25 UTC
Zee Space Plane wrote:
Mintchip is a big Chribba supporter, huh?



User name relevant.
Reiisha
#714 - 2013-10-06 14:14:04 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Zee Space Plane wrote:
Oh no. A "fite me on ur main!" post.

I guess if talking to your fanboys counts as supporting them, Mintchip is a big Chribba supporter, huh?

But you still haven't explained how you haven't profited your way into all those limited edition ships. I'd like to hear that answer before your fanboys show up to "support" you.


Easy, I've worked, done industry, missions and trading as well I have built a reputation that enables me to conduct 3rd party service for which I charge a fee, over the course of 8 years building reputation and providing service I've earned ISK that allowed me to purchase some of the AT ships as well as supercapitals.,

Anything unclear?

/c


Ignore the trolls Chribba, they're out for your massive heart!

/me hugs

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
Arec Bardwin
#715 - 2013-10-06 14:56:14 UTC
Hey Chribba, the 'Hide posts' function is there for a reason you know Blink
Xaen
Telepathic Death Mimes
#716 - 2013-10-06 16:20:50 UTC
Liam Todd Bloodstar wrote:
Above idiots are arguing nothing...

Anyway, It has been said in the other thread that SommerBlink profited 35 Trillion ISK from the CCP gifts... Now of course add in the new ships they were given.

35 Trillion ISK equates to just under $1 million in translation to PLEX.

Watch for the RMT on this one.


F this garbage, Im out
Basically this.

I pre-ordered the 10yr anniversary swag the day I learned of it.

And now my account expires a month before I get what I paid for because of CCP's inexcusable favoritism directed toward a scam trussed up as...well who cares. It's a scam. And it's favoritism. Plain and simple.

It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

—Mark Twain

CCP, please stop throwing gold to particular players in the sandbox just because you fell for their scam and can't admit that it's a scam.

I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it.
Xaen
Telepathic Death Mimes
#717 - 2013-10-06 16:39:41 UTC
Chribba wrote:

tbh if I could vote anyone to receive things like this, without a doubt I'd put all my votes on EVE-Uni and RvB, those are role models if there ever was any! Go to FanFest... EVE-Uni has set up their own "booth", talking, sharing, storytelling anyone who is interested - two words come to mind there, dedication and content.

/c


Seconded. EVE-Uni is probably the most constructive in-game entity there is. With RvB a close second.

Somer is just another jita scammer that profits enormously, off of the stupidity of others, especially CCP Navigator.

I don't know how more direct I can be other than saying, CCP, though their representative CCP Navigator has fallen for a scam and then quadrupled down on it despite the objections of basically everybody except the SomerSuckers™ who have proven that they can't be trusted to spot a scam.

No favoritism > Favoritsm towards EVE-Uni/RvB > Favoritsm towards random players > favoritism towards a scammer > favoritsm towards the SomerScammers™.

I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#718 - 2013-10-06 17:07:49 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Argus Sorn wrote:
I'd like to issue a simple comparison:

http://omg.la/bs/

Third party site. It requires no isk from me, no information from me, grants me access to lots of nifty goodness without profiting the owner one bit. While it does not tell me Chribba's real name, it does provide me with a nice little out of game email. It makes no attempt to market Chribba's in game services at all. In fact is blatantly avoids this sort of activity. This says to me, "I am a third party supporting EVE, and I am not trying to meddle with anything in game, just help you out. In fact, if you need to contact me out of game, here you go." There are literally no strings attached.


VS.


http://cogdev.net/

Nifty looking site. Would appear to be some sort of out of game development corporation, but clicking on anything quickly provides you with the same SomerBLINK page. There is no out of game contact information, no service offered to me other than the chance to gamble in their program and thus for them to make profit. I have to register to even do anything of interest. Clicking register reveals that I must trust the website, providing them with information about my character and location in game. This is all well and good - in fact they are rather unobstrusive, not asking for any API data, etc.. It is a great IN GAME site.

But it promises nothing in regards to their business practices, provides no out of game contact information and is clearly designed to do one thing: MAKE ISK.

Saying SomerBLINK is the epitomy of third part sites is like saying that the guy who stocks my local 0.0 market is a great third party contributor. You should find the guy out there who stocks the most markets successfully and get him to run your EVE Store since there is clearly a correlation in your mind between the ability to do something successfully in a game and in real life.

Please, don't get me wrong. I don't fault SomerBLINK other than to assert that it would have been more ethical for them to turn down any gifts or 'real world' contracts/offers from CCP. But they run a solid site that people enjoy and if they are skimming and shilling, well hey, that's EVE. But they aren't a 'fansite'. They provide no free service, they are MAKING ISK.


Anwyay I've posted too much on this - just too much time today. But I've thought it over and basically this comes down to these four things:

1) SOMERblink is not the contributor to the EVE community that CCP seems to think it is. They are good, and provide gambling content, but that is it. They are no different than EOH or other gambling sites. And their website is just designed to make it easier to give them isk, it is not a fansite or even a community site. Look to Chribba's as well as other people's work for that.

2) CCP should handle giving out high value prizes itself. They shouldn't endorse a third party site that is designed purely for in game profit making, with no out of game presence or recourse to give away these things. Not everyone puts equal faith in these third party sites - and it is especially true when it is basically an "in game" only site, with restrictions that would make the prize distribution potentially unfair. As good an idea as using third parties to give out prizes and promos may have seemed, it is not. Especially when the company chosen is an in-game company. Use Ten Ton Hammer, Battleclinic, or some other out of game site that has no role in the EVE economy.

3) CCP, it is your right to reward people you think contribute to the game. We the players find it a little odd that you view making isk a contribution, but hey its your show. But don't give away items of high in game value, in fact the only way to do this well is not give away in game items at all. Artwork, ship models, etc., would recognize people who helped - but not affect the in game economy in any way.

4) CCP needs to think closely about who they partner with for out of game give-a-ways and whom they reward with ships and other promos. They should keep in mind that even the perception of impropriety is a problem and avoid it at all costs. Partnering with entities who's primary purpose is to make in game isk is not in congruence with this principle and should be avoided.
Clearly, I did **** wrong seeing as it appears that if you create for-profit things, you get awarded even more by CCP compared to those that has the goal of improving and growing the community.

Not that I would change things because I've done it all for the community, clearly getting a second job would net me more money(and indirectly isk) if that is what would matter to me.

For me, the reward of being recognized by community and CCP via spotlights and comments of appreciation has been driving me to keep doing things. But with that in mind now, knowing that perhaps you can earn billions and trillions by always looking at the ISK profit I foresee lots of future services and dedication to be aimed directly at that very goal.

tbh if I could vote anyone to receive things like this, without a doubt I'd put all my votes on EVE-Uni and RvB, those are role models if there ever was any! Go to FanFest... EVE-Uni has set up their own "booth", talking, sharing, storytelling anyone who is interested - two words come to mind there, dedication and content.

/c


CCP, when you get to **** off Chribba, you've stepped to a new level of low.Evil

Thanks for all what you generously & selflessly contribute to the community, Chribba. o7

Don't let CCP drag you down.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#719 - 2013-10-06 21:15:37 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Argus Sorn wrote:
I'd like to issue a simple comparison:

http://omg.la/bs/

Third party site. It requires no isk from me, no information from me, grants me access to lots of nifty goodness without profiting the owner one bit. While it does not tell me Chribba's real name, it does provide me with a nice little out of game email. It makes no attempt to market Chribba's in game services at all. In fact is blatantly avoids this sort of activity. This says to me, "I am a third party supporting EVE, and I am not trying to meddle with anything in game, just help you out. In fact, if you need to contact me out of game, here you go." There are literally no strings attached.


VS.


http://cogdev.net/

Nifty looking site. Would appear to be some sort of out of game development corporation, but clicking on anything quickly provides you with the same SomerBLINK page. There is no out of game contact information, no service offered to me other than the chance to gamble in their program and thus for them to make profit. I have to register to even do anything of interest. Clicking register reveals that I must trust the website, providing them with information about my character and location in game. This is all well and good - in fact they are rather unobstrusive, not asking for any API data, etc.. It is a great IN GAME site.

But it promises nothing in regards to their business practices, provides no out of game contact information and is clearly designed to do one thing: MAKE ISK.

Saying SomerBLINK is the epitomy of third part sites is like saying that the guy who stocks my local 0.0 market is a great third party contributor. You should find the guy out there who stocks the most markets successfully and get him to run your EVE Store since there is clearly a correlation in your mind between the ability to do something successfully in a game and in real life.

Please, don't get me wrong. I don't fault SomerBLINK other than to assert that it would have been more ethical for them to turn down any gifts or 'real world' contracts/offers from CCP. But they run a solid site that people enjoy and if they are skimming and shilling, well hey, that's EVE. But they aren't a 'fansite'. They provide no free service, they are MAKING ISK.


Anwyay I've posted too much on this - just too much time today. But I've thought it over and basically this comes down to these four things:

1) SOMERblink is not the contributor to the EVE community that CCP seems to think it is. They are good, and provide gambling content, but that is it. They are no different than EOH or other gambling sites. And their website is just designed to make it easier to give them isk, it is not a fansite or even a community site. Look to Chribba's as well as other people's work for that.

2) CCP should handle giving out high value prizes itself. They shouldn't endorse a third party site that is designed purely for in game profit making, with no out of game presence or recourse to give away these things. Not everyone puts equal faith in these third party sites - and it is especially true when it is basically an "in game" only site, with restrictions that would make the prize distribution potentially unfair. As good an idea as using third parties to give out prizes and promos may have seemed, it is not. Especially when the company chosen is an in-game company. Use Ten Ton Hammer, Battleclinic, or some other out of game site that has no role in the EVE economy.

3) CCP, it is your right to reward people you think contribute to the game. We the players find it a little odd that you view making isk a contribution, but hey its your show. But don't give away items of high in game value, in fact the only way to do this well is not give away in game items at all. Artwork, ship models, etc., would recognize people who helped - but not affect the in game economy in any way.

4) CCP needs to think closely about who they partner with for out of game give-a-ways and whom they reward with ships and other promos. They should keep in mind that even the perception of impropriety is a problem and avoid it at all costs. Partnering with entities who's primary purpose is to make in game isk is not in congruence with this principle and should be avoided.
Clearly, I did **** wrong seeing as it appears that if you create for-profit things, you get awarded even more by CCP compared to those that has the goal of improving and growing the community.

Not that I would change things because I've done it all for the community, clearly getting a second job would net me more money(and indirectly isk) if that is what would matter to me.

For me, the reward of being recognized by community and CCP via spotlights and comments of appreciation has been driving me to keep doing things. But with that in mind now, knowing that perhaps you can earn billions and trillions by always looking at the ISK profit I foresee lots of future services and dedication to be aimed directly at that very goal.

tbh if I could vote anyone to receive things like this, without a doubt I'd put all my votes on EVE-Uni and RvB, those are role models if there ever was any! Go to FanFest... EVE-Uni has set up their own "booth", talking, sharing, storytelling anyone who is interested - two words come to mind there, dedication and content.

/c


CCP, when you get to **** off Chribba, you've stepped to a new level of low.Evil

Thanks for all what you generously & selflessly contribute to the community, Chribba. o7

Don't let CCP drag you down.

Maybe if eveuni charged tuition, which can be discounted if you buy gtc from them ...

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#720 - 2013-10-06 21:28:53 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Argus Sorn wrote:
I'd like to issue a simple comparison:

http://omg.la/bs/

Third party site. It requires no isk from me, no information from me, grants me access to lots of nifty goodness without profiting the owner one bit. While it does not tell me Chribba's real name, it does provide me with a nice little out of game email. It makes no attempt to market Chribba's in game services at all. In fact is blatantly avoids this sort of activity. This says to me, "I am a third party supporting EVE, and I am not trying to meddle with anything in game, just help you out. In fact, if you need to contact me out of game, here you go." There are literally no strings attached.


VS.


http://cogdev.net/

Nifty looking site. Would appear to be some sort of out of game development corporation, but clicking on anything quickly provides you with the same SomerBLINK page. There is no out of game contact information, no service offered to me other than the chance to gamble in their program and thus for them to make profit. I have to register to even do anything of interest. Clicking register reveals that I must trust the website, providing them with information about my character and location in game. This is all well and good - in fact they are rather unobstrusive, not asking for any API data, etc.. It is a great IN GAME site.

But it promises nothing in regards to their business practices, provides no out of game contact information and is clearly designed to do one thing: MAKE ISK.

Saying SomerBLINK is the epitomy of third part sites is like saying that the guy who stocks my local 0.0 market is a great third party contributor. You should find the guy out there who stocks the most markets successfully and get him to run your EVE Store since there is clearly a correlation in your mind between the ability to do something successfully in a game and in real life.

Please, don't get me wrong. I don't fault SomerBLINK other than to assert that it would have been more ethical for them to turn down any gifts or 'real world' contracts/offers from CCP. But they run a solid site that people enjoy and if they are skimming and shilling, well hey, that's EVE. But they aren't a 'fansite'. They provide no free service, they are MAKING ISK.


Anwyay I've posted too much on this - just too much time today. But I've thought it over and basically this comes down to these four things:

1) SOMERblink is not the contributor to the EVE community that CCP seems to think it is. They are good, and provide gambling content, but that is it. They are no different than EOH or other gambling sites. And their website is just designed to make it easier to give them isk, it is not a fansite or even a community site. Look to Chribba's as well as other people's work for that.

2) CCP should handle giving out high value prizes itself. They shouldn't endorse a third party site that is designed purely for in game profit making, with no out of game presence or recourse to give away these things. Not everyone puts equal faith in these third party sites - and it is especially true when it is basically an "in game" only site, with restrictions that would make the prize distribution potentially unfair. As good an idea as using third parties to give out prizes and promos may have seemed, it is not. Especially when the company chosen is an in-game company. Use Ten Ton Hammer, Battleclinic, or some other out of game site that has no role in the EVE economy.

3) CCP, it is your right to reward people you think contribute to the game. We the players find it a little odd that you view making isk a contribution, but hey its your show. But don't give away items of high in game value, in fact the only way to do this well is not give away in game items at all. Artwork, ship models, etc., would recognize people who helped - but not affect the in game economy in any way.

4) CCP needs to think closely about who they partner with for out of game give-a-ways and whom they reward with ships and other promos. They should keep in mind that even the perception of impropriety is a problem and avoid it at all costs. Partnering with entities who's primary purpose is to make in game isk is not in congruence with this principle and should be avoided.
Clearly, I did **** wrong seeing as it appears that if you create for-profit things, you get awarded even more by CCP compared to those that has the goal of improving and growing the community.

Not that I would change things because I've done it all for the community, clearly getting a second job would net me more money(and indirectly isk) if that is what would matter to me.

For me, the reward of being recognized by community and CCP via spotlights and comments of appreciation has been driving me to keep doing things. But with that in mind now, knowing that perhaps you can earn billions and trillions by always looking at the ISK profit I foresee lots of future services and dedication to be aimed directly at that very goal.

tbh if I could vote anyone to receive things like this, without a doubt I'd put all my votes on EVE-Uni and RvB, those are role models if there ever was any! Go to FanFest... EVE-Uni has set up their own "booth", talking, sharing, storytelling anyone who is interested - two words come to mind there, dedication and content.

/c


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