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[pyfa][rubicon][preview] Bastion Module and Marauder Changes

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stoicfaux
#1 - 2013-10-06 03:23:08 UTC
I have hacked up a pyfa DB with the Rubicon Marauder changes and Bastion Module.

Installation:
0. Download new eve.db.rubicon from https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_CLlTV8bSxNNUlxWUtWbS1NSXM/edit?usp=sharing
1. Close pyfa.
2. Go to your pyfa folder, and then into the "staticdata" folder, e.g. .../pyfa/staticdata/
3. Rename "eve.db" to "eve.db.real"
4. Copy the new eve.db.rubicon from step 0 to the "staticdata" folder.
5. Rename "eve.db.rubicon" to "eve.db"
6. Start pyfa.

To restore your original pyfa database, simply, rename "eve.db" back to "eve.db.rubicon" and "eve.db.real" back to "eve.db".

The new Bastion module is in the Tracking Computers marketing group. Don't ask why, just search on 'bastion'.

ACHTUNG! Several of the Bastion Module's effects are always in effect even when the Bastion Module is "off", specifically the 100% shield boost bonus, the 100% armor rep bonus, and the 25% missile velocity bonus. You must REMOVE the module to see the non-Bastion mode statistics.

The skill reqs are not correct for the Bastion Module. The movement penalty (i.e. 0% velocity) is not implemented. The module uses cap, even though we don't know if or how much cap it will use. Fortunately, you're a smart cookie and can compensate.

Stacking. The resists shouldn't stack, but, I'm too dain bread right now to verify that. All the other features of the module (boost to optimal/falloff, missile velocity, etc.,) do stack.


tl;dr - If you fly a Marauder, you should no longer have fitting issues, and you should be able to downgrade to a Large Repper or Medium Shield Booster and still have a really good tank in Bastion Mode *and* be cap stable without too much effort, including the Paladin with T2 Tachyons and a Large IN Repper... without a cap booster. Shocked


disclaimer: I'm tired. If there are errors, it means spending time with my kids is (somehow) more important then EVE stuff.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

stoicfaux
#2 - 2013-10-06 03:30:39 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
Cap Stable T2 Tachyon Paladin:
970 DPS. Range: 50.6km + 46.8km
535 (perma)tank versus BR/Sansha
with NO cap booster.
armor resists: 79.5 em, 73.3 therm, 73.0 kin, 75.3 expl

To quote Confucius, "**** yeah!"

[Paladin, Paladin fit]

Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Heat Sink II
Imperial Navy Medium Armor Repairer
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Large Micro Jump Drive
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II
Bastion Module

Large Energy Discharge Elutriation I
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

stoicfaux
#3 - 2013-10-06 03:35:50 UTC
Thirteen minutes of cap. 515 tank verus BR/Sansha, 817 versus Angels:
shield resists: 63.8 em, 78.3 therm, 81.0 kin, 81.9 expl
18,000 m/s missiles.

[Golem, Golem fit]

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Micro Jump Drive
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II
Small Tractor Beam II
Bastion Module

Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

stoicfaux
#4 - 2013-10-06 03:37:49 UTC
Cap stable, 660 tank versus Angels, 470 vs BR/Sansha.
shield resists: 67.2 em, 69.4 therm, 73.8 kin, 78.2 expl
guns: 4.8km + 74km

[Vargur, Vargur - Level 4]

Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Micro Jump Drive
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II
Bastion Module

Large Projectile Burst Aerator II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Vinyl 41
AdVictis
#5 - 2013-10-06 05:20:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Vinyl 41
tested and when going with the common deadspace med booster fit the golem easily gets 1.4+k tank vs amarr / sansha while projecting way over 200km with ranges :/ - the only problem now is wheres the bonus to TP optimal and fallof to actually utilize those ? because at 100km the TP bonus starts to drop rather heavy

i dont rly see here any real benefits to the pve usage because marauders never lacked in tank in the first place
i feel like CCP rly wanted to help those afk missioners with this change only Twisted
Julius Priscus
#6 - 2013-10-06 07:58:47 UTC
At this stage ... any and all tractor beams on a marauder will be useless.

just drop the new deployable module and let it do the work. just salvage at best.

so add a auto targeter.
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-10-06 09:50:59 UTC
Is the paladin optimal range bonus still in?

Offtopic but why would you fit tachyons instead of pulses in Rubicon? I think the real deal is the optimal bonus which enables pulse fits to over 1k dps at 50km or 1220dps at 30 with fast swap, using burst aerator II and 4 faction hs.
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-10-06 09:56:52 UTC
On topic awesome stuff!
Rikimaru Ichikawa
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-10-06 11:41:43 UTC
Looks interesting. As a Pally pilot, I'm sitting on the fence at this stage. However... I'm also interested in the feedback once itr hits Sisi tomorrow Cool

OP - Thanks for posting.
Julius Priscus
#10 - 2013-10-06 12:00:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Julius Priscus
Rikimaru Ichikawa wrote:
Looks interesting. As a Pally pilot, I'm sitting on the fence at this stage. However... I'm also interested in the feedback once itr hits Sisi tomorrow Cool

OP - Thanks for posting.



if you guys could let us know of different fits that would be cool. I am a tach man myself. altho I could live with a mega pulse fit.

oh yes can someone let me know what the bastion reqs are please once it goes live on sisi?
Rikimaru Ichikawa
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-10-06 12:27:55 UTC
Julius Priscus wrote:
Rikimaru Ichikawa wrote:
Looks interesting. As a Pally pilot, I'm sitting on the fence at this stage. However... I'm also interested in the feedback once itr hits Sisi tomorrow Cool

OP - Thanks for posting.



if you guys could let us know of different fits that would be cool. I am a tach man myself. altho I could live with a mega pulse fit.

oh yes can someone let me know what the bastion reqs are please once it goes live on sisi?


stoicfaux, could you also post hull even for just the Paladin stats with all skills at V if possible, I.e for the PG, Cap amount & CPU? I was trying the same fit on eft but ofc it was over capacity with the mods so not a good comparison with the current hulls. I'm being lazy I know... Sorry my maths is not good at this time of night/ morning. Blink
stoicfaux
#12 - 2013-10-06 19:52:43 UTC
Rikimaru Ichikawa wrote:
Julius Priscus wrote:
Rikimaru Ichikawa wrote:
Looks interesting. As a Pally pilot, I'm sitting on the fence at this stage. However... I'm also interested in the feedback once itr hits Sisi tomorrow Cool

OP - Thanks for posting.



if you guys could let us know of different fits that would be cool. I am a tach man myself. altho I could live with a mega pulse fit.

oh yes can someone let me know what the bastion reqs are please once it goes live on sisi?


stoicfaux, could you also post hull even for just the Paladin stats with all skills at V if possible, I.e for the PG, Cap amount & CPU? I was trying the same fit on eft but ofc it was over capacity with the mods so not a good comparison with the current hulls. I'm being lazy I know... Sorry my maths is not good at this time of night/ morning. Blink

Actually, you're in luck. Namamai has created rubicon files for EFT: http://108.59.8.159/showthread.php?11380-Rubicon-1-0-EFT-Files-(and-older)

Once the rubicon stuff hits sisi, it should be easy (for a pyfa developer) to load the new stats/database from the client cache. There may be a delay due to a potential need to tweak pyfa (i.e. add new effects) from what I can see with my limited experience with hacking pyfa.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

stoicfaux
#13 - 2013-10-06 19:54:49 UTC
The Spod wrote:
Is the paladin optimal range bonus still in?

Offtopic but why would you fit tachyons instead of pulses in Rubicon? I think the real deal is the optimal bonus which enables pulse fits to over 1k dps at 50km or 1220dps at 30 with fast swap, using burst aerator II and 4 faction hs.

Probably. I didn't include it because CCP was rolling back the web changes, however that may have just been for the 2nd iteration's "web bonuses for all marauders".

I recommend using the rubicon EFT files I mentioned above in the meantime.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

stoicfaux
#14 - 2013-10-06 19:59:50 UTC
Julius Priscus wrote:
At this stage ... any and all tractor beams on a marauder will be useless.

just drop the new deployable module and let it do the work. just salvage at best.

so add a auto targeter.

Or the deployable tractor module could be sloooooooooooooow, thus it could still be more efficient to use tractors and salvagers.

Meaning, would CCP deliberately obsolete the Marauder's tractor/salvaging role? Both iterations of the marauder overhaul kept the tractor bonus, so I'm thinking that the deployable module will have drawbacks.

Next week should be interesting and full of emo-rage-tears-oooh-shiny!

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

stoicfaux
#15 - 2013-10-06 20:06:09 UTC
The Spod wrote:
Is the paladin optimal range bonus still in?

Offtopic but why would you fit tachyons instead of pulses in Rubicon? I think the real deal is the optimal bonus which enables pulse fits to over 1k dps at 50km or 1220dps at 30 with fast swap, using burst aerator II and 4 faction hs.

OMFG. According to the Rubicon EFT files, a Pulse Paladin with Scorch and 2 TCs in Bastion mode can reach out to 95km optimal + 19km fall off. Or just 80km + 16km outside of Bastion mode.

/sell_that_nightmare

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#16 - 2013-10-06 20:44:25 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
The Spod wrote:
Is the paladin optimal range bonus still in?

Offtopic but why would you fit tachyons instead of pulses in Rubicon? I think the real deal is the optimal bonus which enables pulse fits to over 1k dps at 50km or 1220dps at 30 with fast swap, using burst aerator II and 4 faction hs.

OMFG. According to the Rubicon EFT files, a Pulse Paladin with Scorch and 2 TCs in Bastion mode can reach out to 95km optimal + 19km fall off. Or just 80km + 16km outside of Bastion mode.

/sell_that_nightmare


I don't think I saw a clear statement on stacking penalty and the optimal bonuses. if it is stacking penalized then meh, if not then woah!

in the current eft on a pally with 4 in hs, t2 rof rig, and 5% implants: tachs with gamma are 1051dps at 54+41, with pulse and scorch 967 dp sat 58+16. so scorch alone doesn't really make me want it.

I guess it depends on how far you can shoot multi/conflag. as yea hitting 50km with conflag will be rather nice. but tachs with multi are going to be hitting pretty insane range too.

either way can't wait to try it out on the test server tomorrow!

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Rikimaru Ichikawa
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-10-06 23:20:45 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
The Spod wrote:
Is the paladin optimal range bonus still in?

Offtopic but why would you fit tachyons instead of pulses in Rubicon? I think the real deal is the optimal bonus which enables pulse fits to over 1k dps at 50km or 1220dps at 30 with fast swap, using burst aerator II and 4 faction hs.

OMFG. According to the Rubicon EFT files, a Pulse Paladin with Scorch and 2 TCs in Bastion mode can reach out to 95km optimal + 19km fall off. Or just 80km + 16km outside of Bastion mode.

/sell_that_nightmare


Yeah I was very interested to see that. That makes me smile. I hope they do increase the tractor beam range even through a hull bonus.
J3ster
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-10-07 08:01:01 UTC  |  Edited by: J3ster
awesome stuff ! nice work OP

Any chance for some preview love for the Kronos (with blasters)?
marVLs
#19 - 2013-10-07 09:40:10 UTC
New marauders are like bad sandwich... One piece of meat and 10 slices of bread... (overtanked, don't needed)
The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
#20 - 2013-10-07 11:20:05 UTC  |  Edited by: The Djego
marVLs wrote:
New marauders are like bad sandwich... One piece of meat and 10 slices of bread... (overtanked, don't needed)


+1

You can already fly marauders with 2-3 slot tanks in L4 without issues. In the end it is just a mobility plus dps nerf(sentry's) and a massive nerf to the Paladin and Kronos with the lack of strong webs in exchange for lazy mode tanking. It also kills her appeal for Incs and other gang pve scenarios like WH.

Torp golem stays gimped(heck it was slow and will be brick with the changes), speed nerf for the Vargur makes it completely pointless it compared to my armor mach, Kronos become hilarious bad as rail/sentry platform without sentry's, the speed nerf and the inability to keep rail and sentry damage up at close(useless 60% webs). The only hull that might be a bit improved for L4 is the paladin with the optimal bonus, then again if you already used sentry's you don't gain much from it.

Overall fairly disappointing changes, at least for people that already did utilize marauders.

Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread

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