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Under the Rug[Guessing this was in the wrong place or you're trying to cover it up >.<]
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Regina Gerze
The Trinity Conglomerate
#1 - 2013-10-06 01:52:35 UTC
"Under the Rugs" is going to be a compilation of all the things CCP has thrown under the rug for EVE Online whether it have been featured in one of the many events where they showed it off only to have it quietly abandoned/let go or even if it was something they outright said they had abandoned. One of the most unfortunate things to see is a thread that asks when CCP is going to come out with something they promised so instead of just having those made I am hoping for people to provide me with links to the pages already made and a things promised to us in one form or another whatever it may be. Now there are a few rules to providing me with these things, links must not be to a thread that was locked due to an argument or something that involved disrespecting the devs in ridiculous amounts for linking to that material will get this thread locked and possibly flare up an argument, and they must not have been something that will be fulfilled over time.

Current List & Status:

Expansion on Player Owned Stations, being fulfilled plus one for CCP

Planetary Flight, unknown minus one for CCP

Dust-PI integration,
Walking in Stations,
Avatar Exploration,
Modular POSes,
SOV Revamp,
Custom Ship Textures,
Corp Logos on Ships, Status Unknown, minus 7 for CCP

Player Bets on things such as fights, Status Unknown, Minus 1 for CCP

CCP's Score

Pluses: 1

Minuses: 9


Criticism: Obviously we have been waiting for more information on these projects for quite some time so any and all information would be accepted, especially if it isn't just another whisper I hear in one of the many chatrooms I occupy/occupied/weird random places I go to...
Lair Osen
#2 - 2013-10-06 06:46:39 UTC
Regina Gerze wrote:
"Under the Rugs" is going to be a compilation of all the things CCP has thrown under the rug for EVE Online whether it have been featured in one of the many events where they showed it off only to have it quietly abandoned/let go or even if it was something they outright said they had abandoned. One of the most unfortunate things to see is a thread that asks when CCP is going to come out with something they promised so instead of just having those made I am hoping for people to provide me with links to the pages already made and a things promised to us in one form or another whatever it may be. Now there are a few rules to providing me with these things, links must not be to a thread that was locked due to an argument or something that involved disrespecting the devs in ridiculous amounts for linking to that material will get this thread locked and possibly flare up an argument, and they must not have been something that will be fulfilled over time.

Current List & Status:

1 Expansion on Player Owned Stations, being fulfilled plus one for CCP

2 Planetary Flight, unknown minus one for CCP

3 Dust-PI integration,
4 Walking in Stations,
5 Avatar Exploration,
6 Modular POSes,
7 SOV Revamp,
8 Custom Ship Textures,
9 Corp Logos on Ships, Status Unknown, minus 7 for CCP

10 Player Bets on things such as fights, Status Unknown, Minus 1 for CCP

CCP's Score

Pluses: 1

Minuses: 9


Criticism: Obviously we have been waiting for more information on these projects for quite some time so any and all information would be accepted, especially if it isn't just another whisper I hear in one of the many chatrooms I occupy/occupied/weird random places I go to...


1 depot is a nice start
2 not going to happen, eve is for space ships, not aircraft
3 maybe
4 CCP prefers to stick to more gameplay related changes after Incarna, might get back to that later
5 relates to 4
6 relates to 1
7 Soon (TM)
8 probably not gonna happen any time soon
9 might happen soon
10 see http://www.eve-bet.com/ during AT

there isn't much point keeping a score if you're only going to list the things they haven't done
Regina Gerze
The Trinity Conglomerate
#3 - 2013-10-06 16:45:41 UTC
Lair Osen wrote:
Regina Gerze wrote:
"Under the Rugs" is going to be a compilation of all the things CCP has thrown under the rug for EVE Online whether it have been featured in one of the many events where they showed it off only to have it quietly abandoned/let go or even if it was something they outright said they had abandoned. One of the most unfortunate things to see is a thread that asks when CCP is going to come out with something they promised so instead of just having those made I am hoping for people to provide me with links to the pages already made and a things promised to us in one form or another whatever it may be. Now there are a few rules to providing me with these things, links must not be to a thread that was locked due to an argument or something that involved disrespecting the devs in ridiculous amounts for linking to that material will get this thread locked and possibly flare up an argument, and they must not have been something that will be fulfilled over time.

Current List & Status:

1 Expansion on Player Owned Stations, being fulfilled plus one for CCP

2 Planetary Flight, unknown minus one for CCP

3 Dust-PI integration,
4 Walking in Stations,
5 Avatar Exploration,
6 Modular POSes,
7 SOV Revamp,
8 Custom Ship Textures,
9 Corp Logos on Ships, Status Unknown, minus 7 for CCP

10 Player Bets on things such as fights, Status Unknown, Minus 1 for CCP

CCP's Score

Pluses: 1

Minuses: 9


Criticism: Obviously we have been waiting for more information on these projects for quite some time so any and all information would be accepted, especially if it isn't just another whisper I hear in one of the many chatrooms I occupy/occupied/weird random places I go to...


1 depot is a nice start
2 not going to happen, eve is for space ships, not aircraft
3 maybe
4 CCP prefers to stick to more gameplay related changes after Incarna, might get back to that later
5 relates to 4
6 relates to 1
7 Soon (TM)
8 probably not gonna happen any time soon
9 might happen soon
10 see http://www.eve-bet.com/ during AT

there isn't much point keeping a score if you're only going to list the things they haven't done


These are the things they featured but apparently didn't incorporate or they quietly abandoned...that is the point of the thread >.<
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#4 - 2013-10-06 16:59:33 UTC
Planetary flight has been commented on by CCP as being fulfilled with vehicles flying around in DUST.
Ciaphas Cyne
Moira.
#5 - 2013-10-06 17:50:57 UTC
ive heard fozzie mention several times in interviews that corp skins for ships is def going to happen

"buff only the stuff I fly and nerf everything else"

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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#6 - 2013-10-07 01:20:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Arya Regnar
Planetary flight would be interesting if done right, everything else is irrelevant to eve as far as I am concerned.

Player bets are there, you have to use third party and I see no reason why that should change.

EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
Karma Codolle
Chimera Research and Development
#7 - 2013-10-07 01:46:06 UTC
They'll get around to a lot of it. They just have to figure out the best way to do it, and sometimes new things come up that are wanted more.


Most of that is petty cosmetic features, which are more complicated to implement than you think and dont really add much value to the game.

The others have massive influence on the game and im sure they are looking at that slowly. You can't just toss out a SOV revamp and hope it's for the best and if not change it to something else in a year if it doesnt work.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#8 - 2013-10-07 01:48:11 UTC
Fanfest & other such Games Com 'features' don't count. They demo possible futures, not a certain promised feature.
Seagulls talk on 'imagine this' wasn't a promise, it was a vision, from which we will get a bunch of results, but we may not get other results. We may for instance never get player owned star gates. As they may fail to come up with a system they feel enhances EVE for how to give them destinations without simply turning it into an expansion of Null secs system count rather than a meaningful expansion of the stuff we can do.
A lot of your list seem to fall under that.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#9 - 2013-10-07 05:24:40 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Fanfest & other such Games Com 'features' don't count. They demo possible futures, not a certain promised feature.
Seagulls talk on 'imagine this' wasn't a promise, it was a vision, from which we will get a bunch of results, but we may not get other results.

^^^ THIS ^^^

So many people assume that "because it was talked about and/or displayed it WILL happen."

Research and development is a process which doesn't always offer up tangible results. For every 10 features or ideas that are looked at often only 1 or 2 will actually have serious effort put into it due to technical, financial, and/or principle problems.
Sometimes those issues can change and/or be overcome... but there are no guarantees unless there is a pressing mandate/issue that needs to be resolved.

Let me run down the list:

1a. Player Owned Stations: CCP will be adding stuff to make nomadic existence more possible (that nifty little "hut" they are working on)... and rumor has it that POSs are being worked on but the back-end code needs to be sorted out. Time will tell.

2a. Planetary Flight: this probably won't happen now that DUST has come into existence. It would step all over the toes of the DUST soldiers and require major changes to that game in addition to EVE.

3a. DUST and PI: I'll admit... I am bit surprised the ball was dropped on this one. I suspect there is an issue that only the DEVs know about.

4a. Walking in Stations: give me a good reason to get out of the pod that doesn't take away from any of the in-ship/space functionality we currently enjoy (no, simply walking around and seeing other avatars is not a good enough reason on its own).
This, more than anything, is the problem with WiS.

5a. Avatar Exploration: see 4a

6a. Modular POSs: see 1a.

7a. SOV revamp: call me a cynic, but this will NEVER get fixed. Each time the system is changed there is a rush of welcome instability and carnage... then the strongest/smartest alliances figure out how to game it and 0.0 goes stagnant again.

8a. Custom Textures: Time to Penis (first definition)

9a. Corp Logos: SOON (tm)

10a: Player Betting: SOMER Blink, Chribba's 3rd party services, etc. It's not in CCP's interest to introduce functionality that is already covered by players at zero cost to them.

How did you Veterans start?