Player Features and Ideas Discussion

One would think with the release of new pirate ships re-balancing the old ones at the same time would be a good idea.

Cynabals are everywhere and I'd really like to fly the Phantasm without getting laughed at.

Not a fan personally of per level drone bay bonuses would rather they were rolled into the hull (which CCP seems to be doing with them now) and getting a more useful bonus in their place.

Slot layout is due to the racial origins even if it isn't to everyone's tastes.

"Role Bonus: 37.5% bonus to Energy Turret tracking and optimal range" is one I would support but still don't really feel its going to overly encourage laser use but its a step in the right direction.

Still kind of rooting for them both to get a static 50% bonus to amarr drone damage (might be a tiny little too much on the stratios) just so we see some variation in drones used and gives them a little more of an edge without being too overly powerful.

Why are there suggestions nerfing drone Hitpoints.. that's not damage, that's just how tanky the drones are..
And why was there talk of an Armor Rep bonus ? No.. Just No.. Armor Rep bonuses suck for PVE and PVP. Resist bonus wins every time. Better your resists, the less damage you take, the less you need to rep. The same resist bonus that makes them ideal for use with Logi's makes them ideal for Solo.

Lastly, all ships in eve that you can fit are PVP ships. Just look at how many people die to Ventures a week. If you can fit it, you can PVP in it.


With all that said, remember the paper DPS are not applied. Drones take time to launch, and travel to the target.. or in sentries case, sit still for you to evade or target.

Without another bonus, you are gonna be waiting a while after you decloak before you can do anything to a target.. time for most ships to warp off, or at least get their DPS and EWAR/Scram/etc applied first.

This ship is slow, it's not gonna outrun much, so once you start moving most ships will be able to outrun, even with webs applied to you (and yours to them).

It's gonna be expensive, this isn't a disposable T1 hull, not even a T2 hull, it's gonna cost 2-6 times more than most other ships it's gonna face. You are gonna feel it each time you lose one more than the others do.


In short I think it's not bad. I made my own suggestions earlier for minor changes.. Still think it would be even better to make this a Logi.. I've always through of the SoE as more Search and Rescue, rather than fighting it out.. but alas.. So leave it alone for the most part, don't listen to all the people saying it's OP, and put it on the test server.. Lets see what it does in practice.

You want to make the ship that already outclasses all recons in combat capabilities better at being a total ****? sigh.

The laser cap bonus is likely intentional. The drones (really 5 heavies out of a Cruiser? Is this the ship intended to kill the Ishtar now?) do most of the heavy hitting, and with a cap bonus but not a damage bonus you can freely chose what guns you want - you get no DPS bonus anyway. This way however lasers are actually possible to fit as you get a cap bonus to their use, as opposed to not getting any bonus to cap and only really having projectiles or hybrids as your options.

I think a 'Role Bonus: 50% reduction in Energy Turret capacitor need' is not very usefull on the cruiser.
Having only 5 High slots, people wont really use turrets I gues... 1 covert cloak, 1 probe launcher, leaves room for
maybe 3 turrets, but who is gonna fit 3 medium turrets without a dmg or trakcing bonus?, your better of with drones range or neuts/nos in that case

I'd say give it a 50% reduction in CPU need for Cloak maybe?

^ simply because you need to train two races ships skills to use it.

Question: how does the Stratios fit a covert ops cloak without a CPU reduction bonus?

I'm assuming someone came up with these ships after the ATXI reward ships had their stats announced. Unlike the previous rewards of AFs and HACs on steroids, the new reward ships Chremoas and Moracha are completely unique in their function. With the exception of tech-3 no ship can do what they can. Would explain the lack of a SOE battleship as well.

Personally I was expection pirate faction destroyers based on the new(er) destroyer models. I'm glad I was wrong. These new ships have alot more potential for new intresting roles then beefed up destroyers. And they look great as well. They do have a few things that might need some adjustiong though.



Since they are "pirate" faction ships, I think that they should have an improved performance over tech-1 when scanning and doing data/relic sites. A Virus strength and Scan Probe strength on par with the tech-2 however would serve to marginalize the Covert Ops class. Also the fact that you get the full bonus to Scan Probe strength regardless of ship skill Might not be the best of ideas. So I'd recommend the following:

Role Bonus: +8 Virus strength for Relic and Data Analyzers

Gallente Frigate/Cruiser bonus:
+8% increase Scan Prob Strength per level

A middleground between the Covert Ops and the tech-1 exploration frigates. Also the Astero's Covert Ops cloak CPU reduction and the Straitos' reduction to energy turret capacitor need tould be attached to the Amarr ship bonuses:

Amarr Frigate bonus:
20% reduction in CPU requiement for cloaks per level

Amarr Cruiser bonus:
10% reduction in Energy Turret capacitor need per level

The only problem outside the bonuses that I can see from a cursory examination is this:



The Straitos might have a bit too mutch punch. The DPS that a full set of sentry drones or heavy drones can dish out with a 50% damage bonus is, in my opinion, too mutch for a cruiser that has a covert ops cloak capacity. Also this might cause a slight overlap with the Gila hull, though the latter can be made far more durable. And the prate faction cruisers have not rebalanced jet, so the problem of overlaping might go away through that rout later on.

So what to do? Maybe reducing the bandwidth from 125 to 100 might be called for. Other then that, the only thing I have to say is that these things are really gorgeous.

Oh, I alway thought a covert cloak required something like 1000 CPU... So yeah, draging it to a high slot would work