EVE General Discussion

An issue arose. Mistakes were made. The community voiced its concerns [in its own uniquely charming way]. Our representatives did a great job representing our views. There was communication between the player base and the publisher of this here awesome content.

CCP have shown themselves amenable to a rightful grievance and is addressing the issue.

It stands to reason for CCP to reward fan sites that are important to many players, as Somer Blink arguably is.

At the same time this -is- a player-run for-profit enterprise. It's really not that smart of CCP to give even the appearance of favoritism.

Here's an alternative: instead of always handing out these legacy/super expensive and rare ships to interested parties, why not give them something else instead? Why not, as a for instance, a clutch of battleships, t1 versions. 2 of each faction to all the people who are entitled to them.

That's still a really nice prize, and they're really only good to be fitted and sent out into space, there eventually to be blown up. It's not so expensive and rare that it hurts our sensitivities, it's also a meaningless prize. These are actual battleships, a lot of them. The prize has value, but nobody's going to start a devious ploy that lasts a year to get hold of these puppies.

CCP may want to consider prizes that are 'good enough', a nod of recognition "Good job, people. Here's some encouragement as a token of appreciation for your hard work." It's the thought that counts. "I was involved in [community experience] and CCP gave all of us a string of [space frame]." If you get a Ford F-150 as a prize, it's not exactly a Ferrari, it's still a car, right?

By handing out the really fancy space candy CCP runs the risk of showing preference, where they really only wanted [or so I presume] to promote community. A clutch of battleship space frames would have worked just as well for that purpose. It's an action that resulted in the exact opposite of what they wanted to achieve.

Maybe they should hire me to offer a voice in these matters. I wouldn't even mind living in Reykjavik [far from it].

You've completely missed the point on my its bad for CCP to give one group of players something at the exclusion of everyone else. It doesn't matter if its a Titan or a pile of ammo. I'm amazed that in your own analogy of handing out a Ford versus a Ferrari that you somehow hit the nail on the head that a car is being handed out either way but miss why its a problem. Just because one thing is nicer? Its not a company favoring a group of players and then mailing them to keep it secret?

Then there is this pile of apologetic gold:



First it should read "another issue arose" not just an issue like this is the first time. Then there is your little condescending remark about the community response highlighting your own ignorance. Then there is the ass kissing statement about the CSM when several members in this thread were prepared to handwave away what happened. And no communication has been absolutely awful because it wasn't a CCP employee or CSM member that broke the story. In fact I would say we have absolutely no communication between CCP and the player base and no one knows just what the CSM stands for in light of recent comments.

But you should move to Iceland you would fit in rather well with the group think taking place up there.

If CCP decided to give a few ships for SOMER to put up on it's lottery showing their support I think that's totally cool.

Lets say each scorpion is 15 billion isk. That's 25 PLEX's per employee. 24 x 56 = 1400 PLEX's. 2 years free game play per person, for what exactly? Because they work for a lottery already makes tons of isk and sells GTC's?

"We acknowledge that we rushed this event, and we are certainly learning from it now."

Translation: "We don't know why we did it."

Maybe they wanted a cheap easy way to add over a trillion isk to the game from out of thin air.

Probably just incompotence.

It's true, it's just an automatic shift of 1 trillion+ from other players to somer blink.

So what I hear is that

1. Somer Blink is important to people
2. Somer Blink is large enough to have a decent effect.
3. CCP wants to reward fansites and people who add content to the game.

So, why didn't CCP argue that BoB was big and important enough to the game to hand out free **** to; surely their forums were somewhat large and added content to the game? Their current attitude suggests that this would have been a reasonable answer.

CCP has given players an in-game advantage (a bunch of rare ships worth a lot of money to raffle off), denying it to others, with some rather flimsy excuses. They backed down enough to not step on the toes of a couple of ship collectors like entity, but have shown disdain for other groups and favoritism.

Oh, and CCP did not inform the CSM, again? Are they incapable of learning from their mistakes.

CCP, this is bad. Stop. Roll back these plans, remove anything that has already been given to somer, unless you are intending to give every 3rd party service the same ships.

I...uh...what?

Yes, but remember, people in EVE like to look at things in terms of isk sinks and faucets in terms of how it effects the economy. In those terms, the effect is minimal.

Totally unfair and blatant favoritism, but this was not an isk faucet, and no isk entered the economy (unless it dies and there is an insurance payout).

I hold to my statement....

35 Trillion ISK profit from the lotteries of free stuff CCP gave them...

Translation into PLEX is just under $1 million

Then throw in some nice super rare battleships....

End with Eve no longer being a sandbox worth playing



F this, Im out...

CCP, CCP Navigator is making a bloody mess of your game. Where's internal affairs on this?

Where was the CSM?

Did you learn NOTHING from the t20 scandal?!?

The foolishness is ASTOUNDING.

Like, I seriously can't believe how quadruple, game-ruiningly stupid this whole thing has become.

JUST STOP SHOWING FAVORITISM.

STAHP!

I really appreciate Argus Sorn of Star Frontiers/Dirt Nap Squad for laying out the issues involved here in a reasonably objective, grown-up, clear manner.