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[Rubicon] Command Ship Models

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Arcin Hamir
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#321 - 2013-10-05 07:56:48 UTC
Please don't do this to the Nighthawk, the Drake model must be amongst the least immaginative and ugly thing in Eve.
Solhild
Doomheim
#322 - 2013-10-05 08:41:58 UTC
I agree with matching up the hulls so t1 turret hull -> t2 turret hull and t1 missile hull -> t2 missile hull.

I'm absolutely fine with the invention/manufacturing implications of the proposal.

All is really needed is a commitment to make adapted t2 models rather than basic re-skins, before Christmas would be fine.
Start with the Sleip(cane) as this seems to be the most controversial (Hound - Vargur inspired of course!).
Chonuss
FARMHOUSE GIRLS
#323 - 2013-10-05 10:33:37 UTC
I've been waiting for a T2 Myrmidon since starting out as a Gallente mission runner 4 years ago.
Xilas Saissore
Doomheim
#324 - 2013-10-05 10:50:31 UTC
*sighs...

Yep... as always CCP has to screw something up in a expansion. There's always 1 thing.. seriously always 1. This takes the cake right here.

dumbest change EVER.
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#325 - 2013-10-05 11:40:58 UTC  |  Edited by: non judgement
What's the go with blueprints?

A whole lot of bc bpc now will only be used to make one of the commandships, instead of both for each race.

I guess there will be a few people buying the other bc bpo and copying them now.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#326 - 2013-10-05 13:36:42 UTC
Fozzie.. any chance of changing the Vulture to Lai Dai or make ishukone paint scheme much more interesting half grey half light gold is a bit lame? ... pretty please

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Petrov Kreigt
Magister Mortalis.
#327 - 2013-10-05 14:35:59 UTC
Eos -> Myrm. That sounds awesome

The rest, not so much.

The new NH is just a black and red dinner tray. It's boring and unimaginative.

The Sleipnir is Iconic, it's the toilet brush of death. Leave it be.

The Abso forever should be known as the angry red turkey.

Just because something has been around for ages, doesn't mean it needs to change. Especially when its things like cosmetics.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#328 - 2013-10-05 14:46:56 UTC
The amarr and caldari ships look great but the gal and min colour scheme doesn't stand out enough.

The art department made some bad decisions when they decided to change the gallente colour scheem. If the old one was still in place, we would have a cool looking white and gold eos but now we just have the same green/blue look of every gallente ship.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
CW Itovuo
The Executioners
#329 - 2013-10-05 15:33:51 UTC
Proposed idea is pointless, I fail to see any benefit.


It reminds me of the fool who decided to change the name of all the missiles. Then rename them. Then change the name to something else. Then rename them because the a proposed new name sounded cooler. Then realize that the name should be what they were originally, and change it back again. All the while, refusing to accept the best solution would be to simply call a thermal missile a..... thermal missile.


Proposed idea is pointless, I fail to see any benefit.



If the art department is trying to justify their existence, they need to work harder. Create something new. Don't repackage/rename something old, that's just plain lazy.
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
#330 - 2013-10-05 15:48:44 UTC
Very good move. I strongly approve. I'm guessing you will simply switch the models on the T2 BPOs for those ships as well then?

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Hong Hu
Roving Guns Inc.
Pandemic Legion
#331 - 2013-10-05 15:56:26 UTC
Hmmmmm... Sleipnir... Now Slurricane... Not sure I like (or the Eos or the Nighthawk).

In fact the only one that I 'like' is the revolting, putrid, disgusting, patooey Amarr... (role playing, complete)

Would it kill them to just design a whole new hull? CCP did it for Stealth Bombers.

Hong Hu
Xilas Saissore
Doomheim
#332 - 2013-10-05 16:42:51 UTC
Hong Hu wrote:
Hmmmmm... Sleipnir... Now Slurricane...


Hahahahahhahahhaha Slurricane thats awesome.
Aglais
Ice-Storm
#333 - 2013-10-05 16:43:50 UTC
I find it greatly amusing how the change that, in the end, is the most minor and meaningless causes the most intensely heated reactions.

Meanwhile, Marauders are being changed to an extent that they barely resemble the ships they are now, and everyone's just like... "Okay", when in fact the Marauder changes are absolutely abysmal, and not a role that I personally think needs to exist right now.
Udonor
Doomheim
#334 - 2013-10-05 17:11:44 UTC
Krissada wrote:
While they are being more distinguishable from their fellow command ship it uses up the same ship model as the regular harbinger/navy harbinger and so forth for all the combat battlecruisers, but with a different skin.
Why not wait and create an all new design?



Because the concept is that there isn't enough demand yet to justify a hull built from scratch. Plus hulls tend to be built around new types or numbers of weapon systems. So light modern navies you just modify a ship that has enough spare space and fittings to add in command features.

However, CCP departs from that model by adding command features without giving anything up (T1 style) or cramming it in by upgrading most systems technologies (tinier, more fititng generated, etc) and making command ships a T2 variation. The 3rd option (T1 style also) is to add-on extra space and features with kludged on additions to basic hull....in which case you should lose a comparable amount of speed and agility while keeping all other features of the original hull plus the new command features.

Since CCP is not likely to do any of those things given its ship-skills roadmap...I have to agree - time for a new hull all together. totally differnet hull in BC class.
Zolian
Murderous Impulse
#335 - 2013-10-05 17:16:58 UTC
The nighthawk looks far better as it is now.
Cselle
Perkone
Caldari State
#336 - 2013-10-05 17:31:40 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Cselle wrote:
Names:

No. Each Empire has nice naming schemes that match their ideologies, history, and personality. The current names are perfect for reflecting that. Throwing out the old names for no good reason, just to add generic faction names seems wrong to me.

The names aren't changing. The post is identifying the hull and corp whose color scheme is being chosen.


I see, that makes more sense. but my opinions on the hull changes still stand.
Ganthrithor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#337 - 2013-10-05 20:43:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ganthrithor
Welp: I meant to post this in this thread, but posted in the previous linked thread instead:

Quote:
I think this is pretty cool, although I'd almost be tempted to make the Sleipnir the Cyclone hull and the Claymore the Hurricane hull, just because I think a blacked-out Hurricane would look wicked cool. The Cyclone in Boundless camo always looked just fine to me, but I think the Cyclone in Core Complexion black looks flat and dated / boring for some reason. Just a personal thing. I guess a real solution would be to update the Cyclone model, which is really showing its age. That's a whole different story, though.

All in all, a cool and positive change IMHO.


Although:

Harvey James wrote:
Fozzie.. any chance of changing the Vulture to Lai Dai or make ishukone paint scheme much more interesting half grey half light gold is a bit lame? ... pretty please


This. A thousand times this. The current Ishukone color scheme is just awful: bring back the old blue-grey camo theme in glorious v3 detail!
I'm Down
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#338 - 2013-10-05 20:48:31 UTC
So what happens to all the guys who invested in Invention when this all goes down?
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#339 - 2013-10-05 20:52:26 UTC
I'm Down wrote:
So what happens to all the guys who invested in Invention when this all goes down?


Why should CCP care about that? Go eff yourself and buy more stuff. *mindset prediction of CCP Fozzy*

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Van Steiza
Whale Girth
#340 - 2013-10-05 22:44:56 UTC
To be honest, the new nighthawk model looks like a women on her period has just straddled the hull and gushed all her red juices upon it.