Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yes, and he is wrong.

I've been over this with him before, in fact, I believe on page 4. When I told him that clearly the existence of the passive scanning modules means that CCP supports this, he told me something along the lines of:

"Well CCP never intended highsec ganking to be a thing".

That speaks for itself. He has no clue what he is talking about.

Whether he admitted responsibility or not, this thread is still about his lost ship, and that is written all over his posts. So bringing it up is still relevant, because it's the complete and total foundation for this "idea".

To your first point. So, it shows no thought to just throw on a scanner and sit on a gate, but just throwing on a scanner and a passive scan mod and sitting on a gate is... better to you? That doesn't make sense to me. Also, having done this before, I can tell you that it's far from mindless, it's actually fairly fast paced and intuitive gameplay, picking out targets, passing the scan results to the guy who punches the numbers, and then the gank squad closes in with just the right amount of firepower to crack whatever tank you (don't) have.

A lot goes into it, but from the point of view of the guy being attacked, he never sees it, and it's all behind the scenes. He just gets blown up and thinks that it's BS so he goes and makes a thread about it, ignorant of what actually happened. That ignorance, by the way, is extremely common, and it's the primary reason people cluster up with the same self reinforcing opinion about how ganking is bad, because they don't know anything about it. It's actually a vital service to the gamewide economy, because the entire game economy is predicated on the existence of permanent loss.

Now to your second point. Anyone not fitting a passive scanner gets a flag?

No effect. Firstly because it's just going to make people use the passive scanner (and then all that happens is that the guys with the T2 BPOs for that mod get rich). Secondly because scanning alts are mostly week old alts anyway. Noobships are still free, and that's never going to change.

So, I'd ask you what's wrong with the cargo scanner scout? There are plenty of legitimate reasons to have and use a cargo scanner. I do it for fun when I'm bored, for starters. It's also a good way to get intelligence on what is moving in and out of systems, to get advance warning on trade speculation. Why on earth should they be forced to have to biomass and reoll just for using a scanning module? No other instance of such a resistriction exists in EVE, and this activity is hardly offensive enough that it warrants special treatment.

Third point. I have no problem with an icon popping up to tell you that you have been scanned in the instance they aren't using a module to mask it. That at least, out of the rest of these ideas, doesn't heavily encourage afk gameplay.

Because that's the real issue here, by the way. Far too many of these so called suggestions are outright insistence that people shouldn't have to play the game to defend themselves. It's literally trying to kill off a facet of emergent gameplay (scanning before ganking) just because a small minority of players cannot play the game properly. And that's flatly unacceptable.

Eh, the T2 BPO thing was a generalization. I do not manufacture much, considerably more into the other side of that equation.

I would agree on the premise of making it pop up like ewar or webs do, yeah. Not a whole lot wrong with that.



Rabbit-minded revenge fantasies do not overly concern me. If anyone actually cares to make an impact, they need to shoot the guy who loots the wreck. And he's already flagged by the existing mechanics.

I agree. Criminals, or wanna be criminals get away with far too much. There are no real repercussions for guys flying around with some sort of PVP intent.

It's been a while for me but I think there is a visible beam from the scanning ship, but you have to be paying attention to notice it. Could be wrong about that would need to test it.

-1 to OP though - aggression flags pertain to weapons only and it doesn't need to change.

well, if they played within the rules, why do you think concord shop them as soon as they opened fire on my ship?

what do you think would happen if you country found a spy that was giving secrets to their enemies? treason, hanged by the gallows until dead....etc etc.

its against the rules to attack someone in high sec. they used the fact that they could do it, and use tags to regain sec status. they used the fact they had superior firepower over my tank.
great...they earned a kill..
but i wanna target those who do. i wanna build a group around going after those who prey on others. i dont mind u looking at my ship, but to open my trunk and browse IS a criminal offense.
if you wanna run the risk of using a cargo scanner thats on you, but you should be able to be shot by anyone for doing it.

this isnt about 1 kill. this is about a few kills on me over 10 years of play and all the tons of kills on other players that has led to this multi billion isk income with very little consequences for ALL involved.

i own up to all my deaths. they probably could have been avoided. but now i have to go through extra measures, pay for 2-3 accounts JUST to move stuff through "safe zones".
give me the chance to start going after those who agress us. it ALL should be an act of agression.

If they intended for people not be shot in highsec, you wouldn't be able to activate your weapons against a player in the first place.

They intend for it to happen. But they intend for it to have consequences. If you accept those consequences, then you are free to fire.

So you have a misconception about how it's supposed to work.



You do. If they fired on you, you get killrights for them.

O...k? So what? Why does that entitle you to succeed at whatever you try?

[Edit: If you want to do that stuff, just go do it. Stop asking for mechanics to do it for you. Everyone else is playing the game that exists, and you want to play the game differently. Just go shoot them, if they bug you that much. Catalysts aren't expensive.

I guess you've not seen a 0 sec lock from Remote Sensor Boosted campers then? As soon as you START to be locked you cannot cloak. Transition from Gate Invul Cloak to MWD\Cloak is 2 ticks, that's 2 seconds...