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CCP directly and secretly gifted SOMER Blink 30 Ishukone Scorpions (~450 billion ISK value)

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Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#181 - 2013-10-05 10:36:55 UTC
Transparency in decision making keeps community aware about the reasons and justifications behind the end result. Secrecy doesn't.

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Disdaine
#182 - 2013-10-05 10:44:26 UTC
What a dik move.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#183 - 2013-10-05 10:45:45 UTC
Someone must be fired, and fast!!! Unbelievable!!

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#184 - 2013-10-05 10:45:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Scatim Helicon
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Transparency in decision making keeps community aware about the reasons and justifications behind the end result. Secrecy doesn't.

Funnily enough we've had open and public favouritism towards Somer Blink (the gifting of the unique hulls and Fanfest trips as lottery prizes) and now it seems also the covert secret favouritism in granting their staff free limited edition Ishukone Scorps.

It seems the one constant in all of this is CCP repeatedly spawning profitable items for one specific player organisation at the expense of the others.

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Igor Nappi
Doomheim
#185 - 2013-10-05 10:46:12 UTC
Why doesn't CCP just hand Somer Blink a PLEX BPO and be done with it?

Furthermore, I think that links must be removed from the game.

Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#186 - 2013-10-05 10:50:06 UTC
This is my personal, initial reaction to this news. I want to emphasize that I do not have any significant non-public information about this, nor has the CSM had time to get any information from CCP.

1) CCP has the right to give away Ishukone Scorpions to anyone they want to, for any reason. They are a promotional item.

2) The choice of who they give them to (or don't give them to) has consequences in the community.

3) The recent SOMER-gate uproar means the consequences of this earlier interaction have magnified significance.

My initial impression is that the problem here is not that SOMER got the ships, but that the reward (and any others that CCP may have given out) were not made public.

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#187 - 2013-10-05 10:51:04 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
Sigh, I even had to change my 1.5 year old signature for this.
Y u do this ccp.

hi5 changed signature buddy

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Dyvim Slorm
Coven of the Morrigan
#188 - 2013-10-05 10:51:18 UTC
Kuni Oichi wrote:
There's going to be a lot of words here, so those people who just want to say 'grr goons' might want to move on to the next post.

The fundamental issue is with CCP, not with Somerblink. No matter what organisation and individual(s) CCP should not be giving billions to trillions of isk to player-run corporations within the game. Doing so was what saw them given negative press throughout the gaming media (T20 scandal) and while this has a veneer of acceptability over it, the fundamental point is the same. In doing so, CCP removes the equal standing of players within the game and gives direct material advantage to a particular group of players.

This isn't about Somer blink directly, if this had come up now about a.n.other player-owned corporation it would still have the same fundamental issues. However that's twice in recent times that CCP has directly advantaged Somerblink to the tune of hundreds of billion of isk, if not trillions (given what the three unique ships could sell for). Moreover even though Somer chose to give them away (they could have kept them), they still made several hundred billion in increased revenue as a result of that lottery, and will doubtless have expected to see increased traffic and awareness of their site as a result. For somerblink therefore, this had a direct and longterm financial benefit for them, not only in game but in $ as well through their blink credits for game timecards.

It's laudable that Somer Blink gives isk to a number of organisations and events within the game, however that doesn't make it a community site, nor does it make it a content creator. It means that Somer Blink is doing what thousands of real companies do through sponsorship. They increase brand awareness and promote a positive image of their company through association with the organisations they sponsor.

As for rewarding the staff of Somer, while I do think they do an excellent job, surely the right people to reward them are the directors of Somer. They're already very well paid, being able to earn billions a month for their time and already all receiving free timecards from Somer for their account.

What somerblink is, is a lottery, a very well run, highly profitable lottery. There are players who have gone broke in game playing it, players who buy GTCs specifically to feed into somerblink. It has all the pros and cons of any gambling site.

And yet this is the site that CCP has chosen to reward with such unprecedented largesse. Not everadio which, like Somerblink, is largely an out of game activity/endeavour (e.g. the music is not an in game thing). Not The Angel Project which seeks to help new players (though like Somer that did get a community shoutout, which is surely a far more acceptable way of saying thanks). Not Garpa whose tools vastly improve the usability of the game, or EveMon, EveFit etc. etc. Nope, they gave their extraordinary (outside T20) gifts to a gambling site that already makes a vast profit.

Whether through corruption, favouritism or simple stupidity, CCP Navigator has once again demonstrated an inability to 'get' the game of Eve.

As for the Grr Goons, if CCP had given this to us (afterall, the biggest news stories about the game in recent years involve us, we bring hundreds of players to the game, we run community events, charity events and create content and interest on a daily basis) then the outcry would be unprecedented. Obviously for us it would be incredibly funny, but at the same time utterly hypocritical. Whether the ToS changes or this, it should be apparent (for all but those predisposed to hate us) that the line of rhetoric is about holding CCP to account. Obviously that's what the CSM is meant to do, but it now seems to be entirely sidelined by CCP on anything contentious, so it falls to us to raise the hue and cry and point out that ccp's ethical behaviour of late appears to be bankrupt and going down a very dangerous path of bias and favouritism.

Of course, if CCP is set on continuing down that path, then our free T2 titans should be right around the corner.


This is very well thought out and well put, CCP should take heed.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#189 - 2013-10-05 10:52:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Disdaine wrote:
What a dik move.

...and that's pretty much all one can say about that whole affair, everything else is just moot. CCP does what they deem right, you can agree or disagree, but in the end, all you do is paying them money to play their game...

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Kate stark
#190 - 2013-10-05 10:54:27 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Transparency in decision making keeps community aware about the reasons and justifications behind the end result. Secrecy doesn't.

Funnily enough we've had open and public favouritism towards Somer Blink (the gifting of the unique hulls and Fanfest trips as lottery prizes) and now it seems also the covert secret favouritism in granting their staff free limited edition Ishukone Scorps.

It seems the one constant in all of this is CCP repeatedly spawning profitable items for one specific player organisation at the expense of the others.


i don't really see an issue with ccp giving blink prizes to raffle off or whatever; i think it's an interesting way to get things out to the community.

however from what i can tell these scorpions weren't given to them as raffle prizes but rather as a "hey buddy, have something nobody else has because you're our favourites" and that is, in my opinion, wrong.

unless i'm missing something here.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.

OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#191 - 2013-10-05 10:58:24 UTC
What if CCP has no ideea about the recent... hmh....adventures (Lol) of CCP Navigator? I really really would LMFAO. But would be not a single moment surprised.Lol
Kate stark
#192 - 2013-10-05 11:00:59 UTC
OldWolf69 wrote:
What if CCP has no ideea about the recent... hmh....adventures (Lol) of CCP Navigator? I really really would LMFAO. But would be not a single moment surprised.Lol


sacrifice the individual to protect the masses.

:tinfoil:

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.

Sebastien Starstrider
Everything You Know and Love is Forfeit
#193 - 2013-10-05 11:01:59 UTC
Am I one of the few people who doesn't mind this at all D:
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#194 - 2013-10-05 11:06:19 UTC
There are tons of CCP employees recruited from the community that where sponsored by somer when they still where eve players. It looks like now that they are in a position inside CCP with more control over the game, they thought it would be a good idea to just spawn some assets for their old friends..

This is in no way different that the T20 incident no mater how hard you try CCP. I think you have a separate team with the task to prevent this from happening again. Where are they, all in vacation?

You don't take the Eve sandbox serious do you? You are still under the impression you can do with it as you please and your customers will swallow it. It seams you learned nothing in the past. How sad..
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
#195 - 2013-10-05 11:15:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Abditus Cularius
Kate stark wrote:
unless i'm missing something here.


Re-read both CSM posts. The Scorps have been given away a lot before. That's their purpose now - a community giveaway thing. Blink isn't the only one to get them. Not by a lot. Mittens is just jealous of blink, so he's instructed his minions to be morally outraged at blink, and published an article that makes it sound as if blink were the only ones that were given scorps.

If you remove all the goons and goon alts from this thread.

And remove everyone defending blinks or mocking goons and goon alts.

This entire thread would be 7 people saying "Why is this news and why should I care?"
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#196 - 2013-10-05 11:16:37 UTC
...and it works, obviously. Blink

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FluffyDice
Kronos Research
#197 - 2013-10-05 11:17:26 UTC
To celebrate my unhappiness with CCP I'm quitting the game. After I blink all of my isk away...
Periapsis Retrograde Burn
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#198 - 2013-10-05 11:17:41 UTC
Abditus Cularius wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
unless i'm missing something here.


Re-read both CSM posts. The Scorps have been given away a lot before. That's their purpose now - a community giveaway thing. Blink isn't the only one to get them. Not by a lot. Mittens is just jealous of blink, so he's instructed his minions to be morally outraged at blink, and published an article that makes it sound as if blink were the only ones that were given scorps.


I could live with this if the Ishukone Scorpion would follow the same rules as highsec capitals.
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
#199 - 2013-10-05 11:19:24 UTC
Periapsis Retrograde Burn wrote:
I could live with this if the Ishukone Scorpion would follow the same rules as highsec capitals.


You've been living with it since slightly before last year's fanfest, when they started handing these things out like candy.

You just didn't have a shiptoast forum campaign to tell you about it then.
Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#200 - 2013-10-05 11:22:13 UTC
i hope ppl will stop support somer, this is just plain stupid

First time i say on forums about ccp in 7 years but:

CCP THIS IS A MONGOLOID MOVE!

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