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Issues thread for the new font on SiSi

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Dasani Waters
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#281 - 2011-11-15 19:32:20 UTC
An issue that might have been brought up already is the fact that hyperlinked text is almost indistinguishable from regular text on SiSi.

http://oi43.tinypic.com/mbmonb.jpg
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#282 - 2011-11-15 20:40:03 UTC
Dasani Waters wrote:
An issue that might have been brought up already is the fact that hyperlinked text is almost indistinguishable from regular text on SiSi.

http://oi43.tinypic.com/mbmonb.jpg



are those links to show an info window on something/someone ?

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el alasar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#283 - 2011-11-15 20:49:23 UTC
Dasani Waters wrote:
An issue that might have been brought up already is the fact that hyperlinked text is almost indistinguishable from regular text on SiSi.

http://oi43.tinypic.com/mbmonb.jpg

indeed. this should be changed!

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Circumstantial Evidence
#284 - 2011-11-15 21:21:31 UTC
Restore item link color in chat windows - pretty please yes.

And make decimal points bolder in icon item quantities, please Smile
Imrik86
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#285 - 2011-11-15 21:59:59 UTC
The new font is a much welcome improvement.

* The new font is not A L L C A P S like the old one
* The new font is not U N PR O PE R LY HI N T E D like the old one
* The new font is not CONDENSED like the old one
* Numerals are discernible
* The new font seems to be 1 or 2 points bigger

All that collaborates to greater readability. Still, people with higher resolution screens will need a way to chose font size.
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#286 - 2011-11-15 23:55:54 UTC
Jodis Talvanen wrote:


Actually I just came across this font on the internet which looks pretty perfect for EVE to adopt:
PragmataPro


CCP CAN WE HAZ BETTER FONT


Quoting for relevance, also please see this picture which explains some problems I have

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9032/20111115233157.png
Bemoliph Ashriden
#287 - 2011-11-16 02:34:00 UTC
Jodis Talvanen wrote:
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9032/20111115233157.png


At "why so bold", there is a bug where all chat text actually is forced to bold. You can see it if you start typing in the input box, make half of it bold, compare the two, then compare again after sending. Sent it as a bug report (118656) alongside effectively invisible text (118652) and the known colorless links (118653), so hopefully they get fixed in time.
Wata Keshive
Keshive Interstellar Enterprises
#288 - 2011-11-16 08:21:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Wata Keshive
Doublepost. So I deleted this entry. Please read underneath.
Wata Keshive
Keshive Interstellar Enterprises
#289 - 2011-11-16 08:22:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Wata Keshive
Wata Keshive wrote:
[quote=Aerilis]I agree it has greatly improved legibility and that's good, but the new font just seems too.... round. Doesn't seem sci-fi at all.

Just my 2c, make with it what you will.


Agree, it is too roundisch... for EvE.

The new font is much more readable then the old one. Thats very positiv.
But it somehow feels not right for EvE. It does not contribute very much to (or even brake) the immersion of flying through space in a dark cold futuristic world.
Logix42
Taxation Damnation
#290 - 2011-11-16 08:29:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Logix42
individual words/characters are more readable but sentences are worse. spacing is very odd and makes it difficult for scanning. the font is also too big.

It just feels.... ugly

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CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#291 - 2011-11-16 10:59:57 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Punkturis
90% scaling is more aimed at pilots with low resolution displays and are willing to have less readable text and get instead more space for windows

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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#292 - 2011-11-16 11:02:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Salpun
new text was


90% scaling is more aimed at pilots with low resolution displays and are willing to have less readable text and get instead more space for windows[/quote]

CCP Punkturis got ganked

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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#293 - 2011-11-16 11:06:06 UTC
Salpun wrote:
new text was


90% scaling is more aimed at pilots with low resolution displays and are willing to have less readable text and get instead more space for windows


CCP Punkturis got ganked[/quote]

If the right click menues where still 100% size 90% would still be readable for all.

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CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#294 - 2011-11-16 11:30:46 UTC
el alasar wrote:
Dasani Waters wrote:
An issue that might have been brought up already is the fact that hyperlinked text is almost indistinguishable from regular text on SiSi.

http://oi43.tinypic.com/mbmonb.jpg

indeed. this should be changed!


I forwarded this to the relevant people Smile

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Gramacy
Lazy.
#295 - 2011-11-16 11:33:37 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Dasani Waters wrote:
An issue that might have been brought up already is the fact that hyperlinked text is almost indistinguishable from regular text on SiSi.

http://oi43.tinypic.com/mbmonb.jpg



are those links to show an info window on something/someone ?

Links to info windows (chars/items, etc) are white in chat windows, but links to fittings are yellow.

The font looks better than last patch, but the spacing could do with a little tweaking, and the font in chat windows shouldn't be bold really, and make the names stand out more from chat text. Not sure if ISD/GM/CCP names are different colours (recently it was just the text, not the names). If not, they should be coloured.
Ione Hawke
Darkness Industries
#296 - 2011-11-16 11:41:39 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
90% scaling is more aimed at pilots with low resolution displays and are willing to have less readable text and get instead more space for windows



Can we go lower then 90%? Moar space for windows is win++. My eyes are prefectly fine so the more info I can get crammed in the smaller space the better :)
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#297 - 2011-11-16 12:04:49 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
90% scaling is more aimed at pilots with low resolution displays and are willing to have less readable text and get instead more space for windows

Readability has nothing to do with "more space", a good font will scale correctly and be still readable when very small. I am highly disappointed that instead of at least explaining the technical limits you choosed to blame "more space for windows" just because you are unwilling or unable to tweak the pixels.

Also thanks for confirmimg the fact that CCP can never ever produce a good working font. I'm not sure I will be able to play with my laptop with a small-res screen anymore.

And the worse thing is that, at the smaller scale, the old font is actually more readable than the new font. At least I can make it into expanded width. But now I cannot.
Simvastatin Montelukast
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#298 - 2011-11-16 12:47:26 UTC
Jodis Talvanen wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
90% scaling is more aimed at pilots with low resolution displays and are willing to have less readable text and get instead more space for windows

Readability has nothing to do with "more space", a good font will scale correctly and be still readable when very small. I am highly disappointed that instead of at least explaining the technical limits you choosed to blame "more space for windows" just because you are unwilling or unable to tweak the pixels.

Also thanks for confirmimg the fact that CCP can never ever produce a good working font. I'm not sure I will be able to play with my laptop with a small-res screen anymore.

And the worse thing is that, at the smaller scale, the old font is actually more readable than the new font. At least I can make it into expanded width. But now I cannot.



Hint, give her suggestions on how to make things better. (she listens)
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#299 - 2011-11-16 13:16:24 UTC
Simvastatin Montelukast wrote:


Hint, give her suggestions on how to make things better. (she listens)


Use (or copy) this font PragmataPro
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#300 - 2011-11-16 14:29:39 UTC
Simvastatin Montelukast wrote:
Jodis Talvanen wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
90% scaling is more aimed at pilots with low resolution displays and are willing to have less readable text and get instead more space for windows

Readability has nothing to do with "more space", a good font will scale correctly and be still readable when very small. I am highly disappointed that instead of at least explaining the technical limits you choosed to blame "more space for windows" just because you are unwilling or unable to tweak the pixels.

Also thanks for confirmimg the fact that CCP can never ever produce a good working font. I'm not sure I will be able to play with my laptop with a small-res screen anymore.

And the worse thing is that, at the smaller scale, the old font is actually more readable than the new font. At least I can make it into expanded width. But now I cannot.



Hint, give her suggestions on how to make things better. (she listens)



We're not really scaling the font when we're scaling - we're scaling the whole UI. You can read more about how it works in my dev blog on UI Scaling.

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