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State War Academy Caldari State 609
knobber Jobbler State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 609	#81 - 2013-10-05 08:16:38 UTC 2 CCP, you have outdone yourselves.

Sigma Special Tactics Group 8,697
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group Likes received: 8,697	#82 - 2013-10-05 08:18:27 UTC 4 ♫ On the first day of thread - naught not a single f**k was given.. ♫ Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Jean Leaner

Ministry of War

Amarr Empire

Likes received: 103

#83 - 2013-10-05 08:19:22 UTC

Marlona Sky wrote:

Brakoo wrote:

This is complete Bullshit, and honestly makes me want to riot/unsub

"awesome community fansites"

you mean a for profit gambling site that doesn't ever question CCP or hold them to any standards like the rest of the community?

A party in it for only there personal gain?

I am very very disconcerted by this

SOMER doesn't create content for EVE, They are not the enablers and instigators.

One day you will stop being a terrible Company CCP

Oh calm the hell down. You really should do some fact checking before sperging out things like 'SOMER doesn't create content for EVE'. They are constantly donating to events such and RvB Ganked nights, all my events as well as countless others. Those sponsorship help those player events actually become a reality. Somer is not the only site that sponsors player events either. Many do.

Now I'm going to wait for more information on this Scorpion hull deal, but holy crap some of you need hit the brakes and really sit down, gather all the facts and then make an educated opinion on this.

By your logic T20 giving BoB t2 BPO's was Ok because BoB had created content for eve for years, not the least of which included Delve 1, 2 and MAX. CCP handing **** to a for profit entity is a load of bull and is in all honesty, par for the course for how this garbage company operates.

Caldari Provisions Caldari State 68
Troll Bridgington Caldari Provisions Caldari State Likes received: 68	#84 - 2013-10-05 08:20:16 UTC 2 Scatim Helicon wrote: Red Templar wrote: If this is supposed to be the rewards for community service, why does community is not being informed? Running a highly profitable business is not 'community service', its a highly profitable business.

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Kate stark Likes received: 1,564	#85 - 2013-10-05 08:21:31 UTC 2 i'll be honest, i have no issue with CCP giving blink stuff to give away to people in their micro lottery raffle whatevers. however giving the staff stuff "just because" is completely out of line, imo. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.

Scatim Helicon

State War Academy

Caldari State

Likes received: 3,457

#86 - 2013-10-05 08:22:34 UTC

In a previous thread I said, mostly in jest, that T20's actions in spawning T2 BPOs for his chosen favourites, previously assumed to be a serious breach of the sandbox, have instead now been adopted as official CCP policy. It seems that my comments were spot on.

I await a response from the CSM and CCP eagerly.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

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Prince Kobol Likes received: 2,558	#87 - 2013-10-05 08:26:00 UTC 2 Out of curiosity, if the goonies are successful in their little mission to destroy Somer, will they replace the isk Somer provides in sponsoring player driven events?

James Arget

Future Corps

Sleeper Social Club

Likes received: 404

#88 - 2013-10-05 08:27:18 UTC | Edited by: James Arget

Since apparently I'm the only CSM left awake, I'll share my personal thoughts on the matter. Keep in mind, we've yet to hear anything from CCP on this, so I'm pretty much shooting from the hip with the same knowledge you all have.

First off, let's look at the joint CSM statement which was recently released, which I agree with: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281879&find=unread

In particular,

Quote:

2. Favoring one community fan site over others.

Issues (2) and (5) are business decisions that CCP has the right to make. We think they are a mistake, and hope that the uproar over this issue will cause CCP to re-evaluate these policies for future promotions. Supporting groups that have a clear educational/public service focus in-game is one thing; supporting a group that is distinctly for-profit -- and one that can use the ISK it generates to secretly support in-game groups -- breeds distrust for CCP in the community.

The Ishukone Watch Scorpion pretty much exists to be given away to community site. While it does have an in-game value, I think that for most recipients it's much more valuable to them as a token of the work they've invested in the EVE Community. Thus, I'm not bothered that people who help to run a far-reaching organization received them.

What I am bothered by is the number of people who didn't receive them. While many different entities have been named by players in this thread and via other media, CCP has a very nice list already made up that I can refer to:

Quote:

SOMER is on that list, and so is the SCL, both of whom have received their Ish Scorps. I think everyone else is long overdue. Getting a limited gift directly from CCP is a big deal, and giving it out so selectively cheapens the contributions of everyone else who has been otherwise acknowledged.

Edit: Let me tack this little gem from the original SOMER Community Spotlight in while I'm at it: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2286976#post2286976

CSM 8 Representative

http://csm8.org


Kate stark Likes received: 1,564	#89 - 2013-10-05 08:27:36 UTC 3 Prince Kobol wrote: Out of curiosity, if the goonies are successful in their little mission to destroy Somer, will they replace the isk Somer provides in sponsoring player driven events? yes because wanting a game to actually be fair is now a personal vendetta. right? Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.

Doomheim 135
Bronco Platz Doomheim Likes received: 135	#90 - 2013-10-05 08:27:50 UTC Prince Kobol wrote: Out of curiosity, if the goonies are successful in their little mission to destroy Somer, will they replace the isk Somer provides in sponsoring player driven events? I´m sure, CCP will find another favour to gift free ISK. This signature is under NDA. Sorry.

Gorgoth24

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

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#91 - 2013-10-05 08:29:17 UTC

While this doesn't fill me with the rage it does some of my fellow pilots, I, too, am at a loss. I very much look forward to the public statement on this scandal, but do run it by the CSM first so that that, too, doesn't blow up in anyone's face.

This many PR catastrophes in a row should really involve some introspection. Good intentions notwithstanding, so many of the scandals lately have been completely avoidable. Use the CSM - I can't emphasize that enough.


knobber Jobbler State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 609	#92 - 2013-10-05 08:29:52 UTC 3 Prince Kobol wrote: Out of curiosity, if the goonies are successful in their little mission to destroy Somer, will they replace the isk Somer provides in sponsoring player driven events? The problem isn't somer blink, its CCP.

Oyonata Gate Defence Force. 532
Mra Rednu Oyonata Gate Defence Force. Likes received: 532	#93 - 2013-10-05 08:30:22 UTC 1 Doesn't seem CCP will ever ******* learn. You should not favour one ingame group over another ingame group with in game items, esp one which is for profit and good at marketing !!


Prince Kobol Likes received: 2,558	#94 - 2013-10-05 08:31:31 UTC 1 knobber Jobbler wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: Out of curiosity, if the goonies are successful in their little mission to destroy Somer, will they replace the isk Somer provides in sponsoring player driven events? The problem isn't somer blink, its CCP. Hmm.. well judging by the amount of Goonies posting how Somer is evil it certainly doesn't look that way

Johnny Marzetti

Imperial Shipment

Amarr Empire

Likes received: 1,712

#95 - 2013-10-05 08:32:13 UTC

James Arget wrote:

Quote:

It's a goddamn lottery you numbskull. How hard is this to understand? It's a for profit lottery, the profits of which can be used to gain an advantage in the game, which is fine by itself, but should remove it from consideration as a "community site." Are you stupid? Because you are presenting a big pile of evidence here that you are stupid.

Johnny Marzetti

Imperial Shipment

Amarr Empire

Likes received: 1,712

#96 - 2013-10-05 08:33:38 UTC

Prince Kobol wrote:

knobber Jobbler wrote:

Prince Kobol wrote:

Out of curiosity, if the goonies are successful in their little mission to destroy Somer, will they replace the isk Somer provides in sponsoring player driven events?

The problem isn't somer blink, its CCP.

Hmm.. well judging by the amount of Goonies posting how Somer is evil it certainly doesn't look that way

Actually, I'm not saying they're evil, I'm saying they're just another player organization and don't deserve special treatment.

Rob Crowley

State War Academy

Likes received: 312

#97 - 2013-10-05 08:34:23 UTC

I would really like to hear a CCP comment on this. And I hope I don't have to add that it should be comprehensive and honest. CSM, please make them do it.

If this is true it's even worse than the other giveaways cause it happened secretly and was even more directly intended to support an ingame for-profit organization, not that the intent of the other giveaways was much different.

And while I was one of the more vocal opponents against the giveaways in the other threads I now feel a bit stupid for going out of my way to state that I was sure it all happened with the best intentions and just the implementation was really bad. If this turns out to be fact then I'm afraid I can't uphold the "well-intentioned by CCP" claim. IIRC I didn't liken the severity of the other giveaways to the t20 incident because I think they aren't as bad, but these giveaways straight to Somer employees are just as bad. This is the next t20. CCP, can't you see how much you damage your sandbox?

NB: So far I have also gone out of my way to state that this isn't about Somer, because it would be much to ask of them to turn down the other giveaways intended for auction. But taking straight gifts from CCP and even taking action to keep it a secret: shame on you, Somer!

Memnon Shepard wrote:

Why am I always left feeling like an idiot supporting CCP publicly? I should probably have learned my lesson by now.

Man, I really feel for you. You were among the few reasonable guys in the other threads defending the giveaways.

Viziam Amarr Empire 11,532
James Amril-Kesh Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 11,532	#98 - 2013-10-05 08:34:46 UTC 7 "Goons are mad about something, clearly I should take the opposite position even though on principle I'd probably agree otherwise." Enjoying the rain today? ;)

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Jaun Pacht-Feng Doomheim Likes received: 85	#99 - 2013-10-05 08:34:58 UTC 2 Oh look! More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them. Surprised! "Go Goon or Go Home" Perfect description of the biggest problem with Eve.


James Amril-Kesh Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 11,532	#100 - 2013-10-05 08:36:42 UTC 8 James Amril-Kesh wrote: "Goons are mad about something, clearly I should take the opposite position even though on principle I'd probably agree otherwise." Jaun Pacht-Feng wrote: Oh look! More Goons upset with CCP Favouritism towards a group that isn't them. Surprised! Case in point. Enjoying the rain today? ;)

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