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You mine veldspar in w-space? That's seriously insane. Scanning your way out and hauling trit in is far more efficient and less dangerous.

But if you absolutely want to waste your time like that, why not just let one single sleeper frig live? Then the site won't despawn and a covetor can tank a single frig.

agreed.

please, please, please don't make me shoot more useless, zombie frigs/cruisers/bs's. the sites are boring enough. we're "grinding" them for the loot, so just adding more boredom to them is moving in the wrong direction.

a suggestion for a future expansion:
make sites more interesting. how about including a geographic puzzle of some sort? like a simple mini-game (sort of like planetary interaction) where you send in a landing party that has to manuever around to find something.

or perhaps adding to the way you find things within a site, other than just have an object you target and aim your module at. for instance, how about a simple mini-game in which you scan some asteroids, and based on results and some deduction you 'crack' (or something) one to see if something is in it. sort of like easter egg hunting, but with hundreds of potentially empty rocks.

or or finding a factory you can use for a time? or idk, ANY NEW content that is not more npc's to shoot. otherwise good to hear about the mag sites and rebalancing. good to see hard work put in this area of eve.

if you like those ideas pm me for more ;)

I was recently on the newest SISI build and noticed that Reinforced Metal Scraps weren't touched. Please modify the volume of these as well, it refines more but making it have a volume of 0.02 or something would make up for its 1000 refine value.

I do not believe metal scraps getting this amazing compression ratio is truly going to cause much of an effect on other compression methods as there is no player means to produce the scraps. Meaning the worst that can happen is the price of metal scraps trends upwards compared to its mineral worth, though this would be an isolated effect in the market.

I suspect the numbers in circulation would go up, as currently some will be left in wrecks as the price isn't worth the space. But even at that, it's still a fairly small number.

While I personally I find demanding SP back a bit garish, I tend to agree with the conclusion Curcis has drawn - This is another nerf to mining. Not as bad as shiny-drone-poo, but still nothing positive for the profession. As stated earlier in the post a 500x reduction will have a drastic and lasting effect on many other gameplay aspects - intended or not.

@CCP;
How about increasing the amount low end salvage to a proportional level and therreby having the ability to ditch the "scraps" altogether - this would make miners a bit happier, manufacturers of rigs & T3 a bit happier, and would have an impact in equilibrium with the intended effect on everyone else because lets face it - Scraps are the first thing to jet can and forget about. I know I'm not bringing many suggestions forward in-lieu of this proposed tweak, I just know a bad move when I see one.

other than that - well done this time --- content improvement / creation > useless / irrelevant features

Pretty much not a big effect on a market. The bigger impact on mining comes from drone/loot drops which are easily re-processed into raw materials without much loss. CCP has turned that particular knob down a few times over the past few years, but I wouldn't mind seeing it turned down a notch or two again.

I still disagree with the 500:1 ratio on the compression as it's a bit silly (50:1 would have been plenty, 20:1 would be more reasonable while still keeping them desirable).

I'm betting that metal scraps will command a slight premium (probably not much more then 20-30% above their refine value) due to the size convenience.

One word, HORDES.
Don't touch them. (PLEASE)
Tomorrow I'll scan and warp to my lovely 4 hordes that i visit regularly with my tengu. If those things are changed to look like the fifth ugly-looking stupid-to-run horde I had to ignore everytime I start playing, if this happens I'll just press the self destruct button. Then I'll organize a mass petition to bring back the good ones. I mean What's wrong with the horde. I like spawning 20 NPC battleships on my scratchproof tank. Clearing a spawn to get the next one is for losers. I don't want to shoot the little frigs. I don't pick on things smaller than me. I can go on and on over this but for the timebeing:
Bottom line ---> DON'T TOUCH MY HORDES please

This is looking like the best expansion I have seen, possibly the best ... ever?

Drone hordes are about 50% less profitable now because it now takes approximately twice as long to run them. Their ISK per hour, assuming two accounts, is now about equal to running high-sec Vanguards with one account, save that high-sec vanguards are not as mind-numbingly boring.

Instead of simply adding more of the same sites, please consider adding a few group-oriented sites to the drone regions when you finally get around to looking at drone anomalies. Incursions would be just as boring as missioning if they were designed for solo play; they are fun primarily because of the group interaction involved.

Right now there are only two types of group-oriented sites in the drone regions. A 5/10 DED complex that's easily soloable and not very profitable, and a 10/10 DED complex that is a lot of fun, but is also an utter pain to run because unlike pirate complexes, it requires a dedicated salvager/hauler to follow the fleet and loot all the alloys so that the participants actually get paid. Please consider trying out a drone DED complex site that is group-oriented, perhaps even with Incursion-style AI, where clearing the final room/spawn simply yields a giant container filled with alloys.

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Mining can yield 40mil ISK per hour or more, requires virtually no effort, scales very well with multiple accounts, and can be semi-AFKed even in nullsec. I am not entirely sure why it is considered unprofitable. High-sec incursions yield perhaps 60mil ISK at most for virtually all players and require significantly more skill and effort, aside from the lucky few who get into blitz fleets.

Reprocessable loot from missions and NPCs was addressed a long time ago. It's really no longer an issue, and the amount of minerals from reprocessed loot is negligible relative to the total size of the mineral market. Making scrap metal smaller will not change that, especially since folk running L4 missions and anomalies salvage and loot everything anyway.

Drone alloys do have an impact on the mineral market, mostly because they allow the drone regions to be partially self-sufficient in the production of T1 hulls and ammo, which means that the drone regions do not have to import vast quantities of T1 ships or compressed minerals in the form of T1 modules, unlike every other nullsec region. But the presence of drone alloys has hardly driven miners away from the drone regions, and mining is still a perfectly viable profession here, because even the combined supply of minerals from both drone NPCs and mining is barely sufficient to meet local demand even during peacetime. So while removing drone alloys might marginally increase alloy prices, it will also be contrary to CCP's goal of making nullsec at least a bit more developed in terms of industry, and will in the long run simply lead to more mining and ratting bots.

Botting is the primary reason for why mineral prices are fairly low. Mining bots and macros are very easy to set up, are virtually indistinguishable from real players at a glance in terms of behavior, and can supply a virtually infinite amount of minerals to the market. This is not to say that all miners are botters. But the only real way to make mining more profitable in the long run is to actively hunt and eliminate bot accounts. Ditto for fighting inflation, since ratting and missioning bots probably contribute significantly to the supply of ISK.