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S-Market - Has Entered Testing
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Adarics
Academy of EVE
#1 - 2013-10-05 00:47:27 UTC
Finally, its almost here... ( Entered Testing )


The S-Market (Shadow Market) has been in Development and Research for 3 years and has entered testing. The Out-Of-Game Market Place (The S-Market Website [ still to be provided] ) offers most of the In-Game Items at 15% - 50% off In-Game Prices with a weekly restock of the large quanities available for each item. These prices are fixed and will not go up or down unless modifications to the blueprints are made.


There are 2 ways to purchase off of the S-Market. One is a "0-Risk Contract" You go to the S-Market, place an order and get the contract in the Game for the Item and Pay with ISK, the other option is to Deposit into the Online System by transfering ISK to the corporation and it will show up in the Online System and then Items are contracted as they are bought usally within 30mins - 2 hours.


For example., [ A Thanny is listed at 725 Million and there are currently 24 available on the S-Market, you do a "0-Risk Contract", wait to get your In-Game Contract ( On a "0-Risk" it can be up to 24 hours) then view the contract details, complete and pay.

Congratz you just bought a Carrier for 720 Million ISK!

Now take that item and sell it on the In-Game Market for 1.1 Billion ISK --> 375 Million in Profit with no risk involved.


Ill post more information as I get it. If you have any questions please reply to this post, or ask In-Game.


Fly safe,


Adarics
CEO of Operations
Wrath of Shadows



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Florian Bao
Black Box Technologies
#2 - 2013-10-05 01:05:56 UTC
No webiste provided means no testing for us. Thus no point posting it here?
Adarics
Academy of EVE
#3 - 2013-10-05 01:19:37 UTC
Once the main Testing is complete, it will be open to outside testing for those who are interested prior to the Official Launch. Then/And I was going to edit the above post and add the web address.

I started this thread to get take it off of my To-Do-List, lol, among gathering any questions and suggestions about the S-Market and getting other's option of the overall Idea of the S-Market as well as to suggest a great way on how to make ISK.




Fly Safe,

Adarics
CEO of Operations
Wrath of Shadows

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Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
#4 - 2013-10-05 02:00:06 UTC
So what exactly is the point of selling things 15-50% off of what you could just dump them on the market for? Besides hoping that eventually people will dump billions of isk on you that you can run away with after they see the "no risk contract" is mildly inconvenient.
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#5 - 2013-10-05 02:21:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Norn
Tigerras wrote:
So what exactly is the point of selling things 15-50% off of what you could just dump them on the market for? Besides hoping that eventually people will dump billions of isk on you that you can run away with after they see the "no risk contract" is mildly inconvenient.


Quote:
There are 2 ways to purchase off of the S-Market. One is a "0-Risk Contract" You go to the S-Market, place an order and get the contract in the Game for the Item and Pay with ISK, the other option is to Deposit into the Online System by transfering ISK to the corporation and it will show up in the Online System and then Items are contracted as they are bought usally within 30mins - 2 hours.


Another dumb scam clone.

Edit: Also contract all of your carriers to me for 800m each, all of your dreads for 1500m each, any anything else for 50% below market costs and I'll buy it all, then you don't have to waste time testing your website.

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Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
#6 - 2013-10-05 02:25:14 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Tigerras wrote:
So what exactly is the point of selling things 15-50% off of what you could just dump them on the market for? Besides hoping that eventually people will dump billions of isk on you that you can run away with after they see the "no risk contract" is mildly inconvenient.


Quote:
There are 2 ways to purchase off of the S-Market. One is a "0-Risk Contract" You go to the S-Market, place an order and get the contract in the Game for the Item and Pay with ISK, the other option is to Deposit into the Online System by transfering ISK to the corporation and it will show up in the Online System and then Items are contracted as they are bought usally within 30mins - 2 hours.


Another dumb scam clone.



Shh....I'll open up T-Market once this one takes off, and steal everyone's money too.
Adarics
Academy of EVE
#7 - 2013-10-05 04:10:29 UTC
To prevent people from thinking or feeling its a scam, we offer the "0-Risk Contracts". And that option is open to you. That's the same as me offering an In-Game Contract, you review it, then accept it. So no risk or scam possibility.

And there are many reasons our prices are 30-50% off of the In-Game Market prices and why they are not posted on the In-Game Market. (example could be Statistics of the S-Market)

And I doubt you would have enough funds to buy the S-Market out directly, and if you were able to it would just restock again the following week. The way its set up if an item runs out too fast it will increase its quantity for the next weekly update.

However, we expect the Market to run out based on the prices within the first few days of it being online, until the weekly restocking day.


But If you think It would be a scam you don't have to use it :)


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Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
#8 - 2013-10-05 04:45:26 UTC
Adarics wrote:
To prevent people from thinking or feeling its a scam, we offer the "0-Risk Contracts". And that option is open to you. That's the same as me offering an In-Game Contract, you review it, then accept it. So no risk or scam possibility.

And there are many reasons our prices are 30-50% off of the In-Game Market prices and why they are not posted on the In-Game Market. (example could be Statistics of the S-Market)

And I doubt you would have enough funds to buy the S-Market out directly, and if you were able to it would just restock again the following week. The way its set up if an item runs out too fast it will increase its quantity for the next weekly update.

However, we expect the Market to run out based on the prices within the first few days of it being online, until the weekly restocking day.


But If you think It would be a scam you don't have to use it :)





So its cheap because of REASONS and you won't scam because.....you provide a scam free option?

It makes zero sense to sell things below market buy order prices. Literally, there's no reason to do it when you could just dump it on the market yourself. I get making a quick sale, but you can do that by dumping it on the market at buy order prices.

Also, announcing that you are entering final testing, and that it is closed testing....is pointless.
I Was There
Habemus
#9 - 2013-10-05 10:35:57 UTC
I don't get it. If this was true, why wouldn't you sell the thanatos yourself for a 375m profit?

This service is too good to be legitimate.
Nanatoa
#10 - 2013-10-05 11:18:09 UTC
Since no one has said this yet:

I'll put 20 billion isk into this.

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
Logical Chaos
Very Italian People
The Initiative.
#11 - 2013-10-05 11:38:41 UTC
RMT ISK laundering anyone?
Nanatoa
#12 - 2013-10-05 11:41:03 UTC
Logical Chaos wrote:
RMT ISK laundering anyone?


That would be the only sane reason for them to do this.

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
Setsune Rin
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-10-05 13:07:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Setsune Rin
i'll take 1000000 sleeper drone AI nexus in blocks of 1000>2000>4000>8000>etc per contract until the 1 mil is exhausted
Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
#14 - 2013-10-05 14:02:07 UTC
Nanatoa wrote:
Logical Chaos wrote:
RMT ISK laundering anyone?


That would be the only sane reason for them to do this.


My thoughts as well. A scheme like this would make it slightly more complicated for CCP to track.

However, they could still just buy stuff off the market, transfer it to another toon, then sell it on the market to buy orders and retain about 90% of their isk. That would be just as hard to track as the above.
Logical Chaos
Very Italian People
The Initiative.
#15 - 2013-10-05 14:45:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Logical Chaos
Tigerras wrote:
Nanatoa wrote:
Logical Chaos wrote:
RMT ISK laundering anyone?


That would be the only sane reason for them to do this.


My thoughts as well. A scheme like this would make it slightly more complicated for CCP to track.

However, they could still just buy stuff off the market, transfer it to another toon, then sell it on the market to buy orders and retain about 90% of their isk. That would be just as hard to track as the above.


Yes of course, but as pointed out: It's the only reason why anyone would do this. I think there was somebody in the want to buy section of the forums who offered carriers and battleships and the like below Jita as well but at like 90% (so given cheap mineral access the pricing was possible).

This on the other hand, is not such a thing.

EDIT: I still don't get why anyone would make an M&D post about this then and bring it to CCP's attention like that. I think ppl would spam Jita local.
Adarics
Academy of EVE
#16 - 2013-10-05 15:53:30 UTC
One of the many reasons and logic behind the S-Market is to alter and lower the In-Game Markets prices. The S-Market is stable with fixed pricing.

So by offering so many items at low pricing at high quanities on a consistant basis we can start to achive this. So the items are 15-50% off on a consistant basis.

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Eshestun
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-10-05 17:18:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Eshestun
So lemme get this straight...


lets say you sell a Raven that worth something like 100mill... And you sell it to your customers for 90. Your intention is to drive the price of Ravens down to 90 mill because the market is flooded with 90mill Ravens and people leveraging their time to 0.01 each other. At which point you jump in, buy out the market at 90 mill and wait for the market to normalize? (then you make profit selling your 90mill Ravens for 100?)


If I am correct, I see a few issues.

1) It's not very lucrative for the customers as they would have to put in huge amounts of time to sell orders (huge volume means big competition)

2) I suspect if someone tried this, it would be easy to misjudge how much isk they would need to pull this off... they would get burned and attempt to steal from business partners or customers.
joyous the
Slippery Penguin
#18 - 2013-10-05 18:22:28 UTC
Eshestun wrote:
So lemme get this straight...


lets say you sell a Raven that worth something like 100mill... And you sell it to your customers for 90. Your intention is to drive the price of Ravens down to 90 mill because the market is flooded with 90mill Ravens and people leveraging their time to 0.01 each other. At which point you jump in, buy out the market at 90 mill and wait for the market to normalize? (then you make profit selling your 90mill Ravens for 100?)


If I am correct, I see a few issues.

1) It's not very lucrative for the customers as they would have to put in huge amounts of time to sell orders (huge volume means big competition)

2) I suspect if someone tried this, it would be easy to misjudge how much isk they would need to pull this off... they would get burned and attempt to steal from business partners or customers.


If you have enough customers to cycle your isk, constantly buying and dumping large orders to people, it really doesn't take a ton of isk to pull off. There will always be customers if the margins are right.

That was essentially the logic behind my The Jewels of Your Desire, bulk trade mailing list manipulation business.

However, if his prices are fixed(and below current buys), I don't see how he'd make isk if he's having to push sells high enough to bring in enough customers all the while essentially price fixing buys below his fixed price. Must be some other angle he's working.
X ATM092
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#19 - 2013-10-05 18:52:47 UTC
I LIKE IT!
Put me down for 100,000,000,000 of your out of game artificial currency supported by... well... will in the future be supported by your currently non existent website. Please await my transfer of 100,000,000,000.
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#20 - 2013-10-05 19:38:29 UTC
Adarics wrote:

And I doubt you would have enough funds to buy the S-Market out directly, and if you were able to it would just restock again the following week. The way its set up if an item runs out too fast it will increase its quantity for the next weekly update.


I think I do, just contract me all of your inventory and you will save lots of time that would otherwise be wasted on this website or dealing with other people.

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