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ISD Tyrozan
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#121 - 2013-10-04 18:59:36 UTC
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Kirren D'marr
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#122 - 2013-10-04 19:19:47 UTC
Hammer Crendraven wrote:
Well now, you are in luck as it turns out when you want to do your first person style game play you can just log onto Dust.
Play that til you want back into spaceships then come back to eve. You can have it all right now today. You can even shoot at other people in dust complete with a skill tree even! How awesome is that! CCP even has its own servers just to support it!


And if DUST was on PC and not a console, I might just do that. But for now, it's only on a platform I have no interest in investing in, so it's not an option.

Even if it were, it would not be the same thing as interracting with other EVE players while in EVE with my EVE avatar. Unless of course, they get to the point of integration that I can take my EVE character back and forth between EVE and DUST, but even then it would have to be more than just FPS gameplay to fill the role of what WiS would be.

Jenn aSide wrote:
Kirren D'marr wrote:
Earth and Beyond lasted exactly two years because that is exactly how long EA was contractually obligated to "support" it. E&B was intentionally killed by EA, they only ran it for as long as they did as part of their obligations in buying Westwood studios. They wanted the Command and Conquer franchise, and got stuck with E&B as part of the deal. "Support" for E&B at one point is rumored to have been no more than three people. Considering how little of a chance it was given, and the deliberate efforts to drive it into the ground ahead of schedule, I'm amazed it became as popular as it was (hint: it was popular enough that eight years after going dark, fans have reconstructed the game and gotten it running again).

Trying to blame Earth and Beyond's failure on the fact that the players had avatars is not only moronic, it's pedantic.


That's a lot of excuse making. The point is that if E&B was so great, you wouldn't have to have fans propping up it's shattered remains lol. Someone would be making money off it....like CCP is with EvE.

One of the things that makes EvE great is it's laser focus on Spaceships and the Captains of Spaceships. When they started to lose that focus, we the community of imaginary space captains gently nudged them back to the holy path.

And we'll do it again if we have to.


If you knew anything about the situation, you would know that there is no "excuse making" about it, that's exactly as it happened. EA had zero interest in running E&B, and only did the bare minimum legally required of them to support it. There were plenty of additions and revisions planned for the game by the original designers, but EA stripped away all resources and just did enough to keep the servers going.

The fact is that E&B did not have the benefit of continued improvement, fixes, expansions, graphics updates, etc. If it had, it is reasonable to assume that it would have lasted significantly longer than it did.

But this is all beside the point. I'm not trying to make the case that E&B was the best spaceship game ever; I'm only trying to make the point that it was a popular (for MMOs at the time, i.e., pre-WoW) spaceship-based game which was no less of a spaceship game for having the ability to leave your ship and walk around in the station. It was an extra bit of immersion that the players enjoyed.

Another fact is that when E&B closed down, a lot of the players came here to EVE. Some of us are still here today (I still keep in touch in EVE with players I met in E&B). Like it or not, we are part of the EVE community. WiS-type gameplay is something we are familiar with, and there's at least a portion of us who would not mind seeing it again.

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_
Kirren D'marr
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#123 - 2013-10-04 19:43:30 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kirren D'marr wrote:


Like anything, you're going to get varied opinions on it, but I don't really think that most players looking for WiS are expecting it to include combat, etc. Interaction with station features and social interactions with other players, yes. Exploration, maybe; tactical displays of space combat/Dust514 activities could be good, but that's about it. I'm not expecting it to be anything that intrudes upon or overshadows EVE as it stands, but maybe that's just me.


The people that want that don't want EvE.

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Yes, I am still here after 8 years - sort of. In that time, I have unsubbed and resubbed a number of times. I'd have to do the math, but I'm sure I've spent less time over those years with an active subscription than I have without. Features like WiS would probably have kept me subbed in more consistently. So is it working fine for me as is? Not really; it's been enough to keep me coming back now and then, but eventually it loses my interest.


But it's this part that is the most important thing you've said, because it speaks to the real truth.

I haven't been playing for 8 years. I started playing EvE in June of 2007. With the exception of a few vacations, a few internt outages, a couple house moves and unaviodable family obligations (grrr don't women know that Valentines day is a made up holiday???) I've played EvE every single day, not one unsub, hell, I maintain 4 accounts now.


Good for you. I sincerely hope that outside of EVE, you also lead a fulfilling and balanced life.

I'm sure that CCP appreciates your continued subscriptions. I'm sure that they also appreciate whatever money I have thrown their way. I'd be willing to bet that they would appreciate it even more if I gave them more through a more consistent subscription.

Regardless of how you feel about it, don't you think CCP would like to improve player retention? If they can add a feature which would do so, without disrupting the existing gameplay, why shouldn't they? Just because it won't retain the sort of players you think are right for EVE? If so, that's more than a little hubris on your part.

Jenn aSide wrote:
And I've spent all of 32 seconds in the captains quarters...


I likewise have spent very little time in the CQ (haven't timed it myself); not because I wouldn't like to, but because there really is nothing to do there. But if the ability to interract with other players was added, and maybe a few other features, it might give me something to do when I've got some downtime, waiting around for an op or a jump clone cooldown or something else. In the end, that's what tends to drive me away from the game: boredom. There is only so much waiting around for things to happen I can take; a little variety would go a long way towards alleviating that. There's already so much in this game that is done largely AFK; woudln't it be better to give us more reasons to stay engaged?

Jenn aSide wrote:
It's that way because I like what EvE has to offer (spaceships, if i want to play walking around, I get up and go outside and....walk around. Too muh sunlight though).
You said so yourself, most of you 8 years has actually been unsubbed. Does it ever strike you (and folks like you) that maybe EvE isn't the game you're looking for? Many us who are actual practicing EvE fanatics like our spaceship only game. CCP devoting time and manpower to making game content for people who don't like the core spaceship theme of the game is just a dumb idea.


Newsflash: CCP is already devoting time and manpower to content that's not part of the core spaceship game. Your EVE subscription is helping to pay for several other projects. I for one would like to see a bit more of the benefit of that money come back to the game I actually play. If that benefit comes in the form of WiS, so be it.

Also, it's been said that a fanatic is one who doubles his efforts, but loses sight of his goals. So what exactly are your goals for EVE? Personally, I'd like to see it grow and improve as much as it can, while still being true to it's core. I think that there is room for WiS in that growth.

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2013-10-04 20:15:48 UTC
Kirren D'marr wrote:
Hammer Crendraven wrote:
Well now, you are in luck as it turns out when you want to do your first person style game play you can just log onto Dust.
Play that til you want back into spaceships then come back to eve. You can have it all right now today. You can even shoot at other people in dust complete with a skill tree even! How awesome is that! CCP even has its own servers just to support it!


And if DUST was on PC and not a console, I might just do that. But for now, it's only on a platform I have no interest in investing in, so it's not an option.





Quite frankly that is not CCP's problem that you do not have the platform for dust. See FPS are considered the purview of counsole gamers. That is why CCP made dust to appeal to that group of gamers and put it on a platform they use.
You are bucking every trend line in the gamer world. And want to change the gaming world to fit your prefered style.

Good luck with that. I for one hope it does not catch on. Go play with the counsole gamers please I beg you. And give me all your stuff.
Kirren D'marr
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Caldari State
#125 - 2013-10-04 21:58:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirren D'marr
Hammer Crendraven wrote:
Kirren D'marr wrote:
Hammer Crendraven wrote:
Well now, you are in luck as it turns out when you want to do your first person style game play you can just log onto Dust.
Play that til you want back into spaceships then come back to eve. You can have it all right now today. You can even shoot at other people in dust complete with a skill tree even! How awesome is that! CCP even has its own servers just to support it!


And if DUST was on PC and not a console, I might just do that. But for now, it's only on a platform I have no interest in investing in, so it's not an option.





Quite frankly that is not CCP's problem that you do not have the platform for dust. See FPS are considered the purview of counsole gamers. That is why CCP made dust to appeal to that group of gamers and put it on a platform they use.
You are bucking every trend line in the gamer world. And want to change the gaming world to fit your prefered style.

Good luck with that. I for one hope it does not catch on. Go play with the counsole gamers please I beg you. And give me all your stuff.


Who said I was looking for an FPS? In terms of WiS, I specifically stated that I was NOT looking for combat as a part of the feature.

It seems to me that most players who are completely against WiS have taken such a position on the basis of a lot of faulty assumptions of what WiS would actually be, and what those in favor of WiS want to have included.

Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.     _ - Kina Ayami_