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Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#81 - 2013-10-03 14:28:36 UTC
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Bunch of people who won't even go to lowsec are going to invade null? Cool.


BINGO

Only the 20th such empty threat from the carebear community in a week. If they spent 1/10 the time forming fleets that they do posting Braveheart-wannabe forum threads, they might not be the official butt of every joke in New Eden.

"Two carebears walk into a bar...."

You think after the first one, the second carebear would have ducked.

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#82 - 2013-10-04 14:44:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
We had a small nullsec invasion from highsec going for a while. Was much fun. But it eventually faded away because:

-About half of the people in our chat channel never talked or communicated. Who knows what they were doing. Pretty much like what happens with regular corps. Some percentage are just silent. Some of the lurkers probably spies, but that wasn't a problem., we dealt with it.

-Some people joined expecting a fully-organized operation, with a commander issuing orders and directing things. In other words, something like a PVP corp, instead of a collection of autonomous carebear individuals. Big paradox there: If we were organized like a corp, would we be a carebear invasion collective? Subject to being infiltrated, wardecced and crushed by any decent-sized null corp?

-TZ differences split a small group into two smaller groups. Things agreed on by mail were hard to implement, because we were online at different times.

-Diverse goals. Some wanted to kill Goon and CFC nullbears, others wanted to make isk doing nullsec anoms and ratting.

-Perpetual camps on the chokepoint gates from highsec to nullsec. We could infiltrate through them solo some percentage of the time, but it involved absorbing fairly expensive ship losses.

-In my own case, Goons and CFC in null weren't arsehats enough to really hate. Some were pretty funny in Local actually. That took away some of my fanatical urge for violence.

But it was much fun, and it could have worked if more people had shown up. It did prove that null isn't as dangerous as a lot of highsec people think. 39 jumps through null, no problem. One jump into Amamake, dead.
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#83 - 2013-10-04 14:49:09 UTC
WTF is this post suppose to be about?

Signatured removed, CCP Phantom
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#84 - 2013-10-04 16:01:25 UTC
LittleTerror wrote:
together we;re more powerful than any alliance that that exists


Shame highsec carebears don't visit the forums, huh?


Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#85 - 2013-10-04 16:12:39 UTC
LittleTerror wrote:
O k

so it seems I'm unable to post on that stupid political board, good, i don't care about it, nor should you, together we;re more powerful than any alliance that that exists, we control empire prices they can maybe manipulate 2 items. We don't care, everyone of you now train and max out interceptors, of all races.

They attacked miners in highsec with no real repercussions, they will reap what they sowed, and we will own many a mining fleet in nullsec because our enemy won't be prepared.


Beyond this, it goes as far as you can imagine...


this is it
the sleeping dragon has awoken
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#86 - 2013-10-04 18:44:26 UTC
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#87 - 2013-10-04 18:52:15 UTC
I would probably log in for a highsec turkey shoot

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2013-10-04 20:35:22 UTC
Khergit Deserters, that's a very good analysis.

More than some minimum SP, more than a resume of KM's, every single recruitment thread will demand VOICE COMMS and a working mic.
For some reason, this is by far the hardest thing to get people to do. They'll text, rant on forums, whatever...but are terrified of actually speaking to another human.

More than giant fleet numbers or high end ships- what makes corps/alliances powerful is their ability to work together. Voice comms are not an option in a game like Eve. I have TeamSpeak, Mumble, and Vent all downloaded and ready so I can fleet up with pretty much anybody that isn't shooting me in the face.
That also leads to...dread...making friends.

High Sec is obsessed with playing an MMO, solo. Look at all the threads from people that will ask 'how to do this or that solo' on forums but utterly refuse to actually fleet up and possibly learn something useful.

Given that high sec'ers abjectly refuse to even associate with each other, any talk of a uprising is just hot air, and fodder for jokes.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#89 - 2013-10-04 21:20:14 UTC
Alaric Faelen wrote:
Khergit Deserters, that's a very good analysis.

More than some minimum SP, more than a resume of KM's, every single recruitment thread will demand VOICE COMMS and a working mic.
For some reason, this is by far the hardest thing to get people to do. They'll text, rant on forums, whatever...but are terrified of actually speaking to another human.

More than giant fleet numbers or high end ships- what makes corps/alliances powerful is their ability to work together. Voice comms are not an option in a game like Eve. I have TeamSpeak, Mumble, and Vent all downloaded and ready so I can fleet up with pretty much anybody that isn't shooting me in the face.
That also leads to...dread...making friends.

High Sec is obsessed with playing an MMO, solo. Look at all the threads from people that will ask 'how to do this or that solo' on forums but utterly refuse to actually fleet up and possibly learn something useful.

Given that high sec'ers abjectly refuse to even associate with each other, any talk of a uprising is just hot air, and fodder for jokes.

True about the voice comms. That was another issue for us. Comms are a big barrier to many highsec people players. I too, used to fear the voice comms. Because:
-I might have a funny voice. (I do, but so does about everybody else in EVE. Isn't that weird?)
-Because my wife would laugh at me as an ubernerd. (She did at first, but then we both embraced my inner ubernerd. Also, letting her listen in on a fight and hear how intense and movie-like it was helped).
-I didn't want to get to know other MMO players that... intimately. (Turns out you can make it as personal or impersonal as you want. You don't have to talk, but shooting the **** is actually pretty fun).
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#90 - 2013-10-04 21:58:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Alaric Faelen wrote:
Khergit Deserters, that's a very good analysis.

More than some minimum SP, more than a resume of KM's, every single recruitment thread will demand VOICE COMMS and a working mic.
For some reason, this is by far the hardest thing to get people to do. They'll text, rant on forums, whatever...but are terrified of actually speaking to another human.

More than giant fleet numbers or high end ships- what makes corps/alliances powerful is their ability to work together. Voice comms are not an option in a game like Eve. I have TeamSpeak, Mumble, and Vent all downloaded and ready so I can fleet up with pretty much anybody that isn't shooting me in the face.
That also leads to...dread...making friends.

High Sec is obsessed with playing an MMO, solo. Look at all the threads from people that will ask 'how to do this or that solo' on forums but utterly refuse to actually fleet up and possibly learn something useful.

Given that high sec'ers abjectly refuse to even associate with each other, any talk of a uprising is just hot air, and fodder for jokes.


nope we don't want to talk to you on voice comms, because it would anoye the **** out of us

you people are getting too quickly attached as well, we however like our freedom...

trust me, this comes with age... you will understand someday

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#91 - 2013-10-04 22:15:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Whereas the typical nullsec bears will balk at such ideas as the OP implies, those who do try it, stabbed dessie, bomber, or not, will find themselves doing things they have not done before and having a good time at it.

This, I recall, was the point of playing a game.


As for voice comms.....

Once I was in an FCORD fleet and the FC sounded like a total nerd. It's not a crime to sound like a nerd though and I didn't care. But some ladies dig that. So my girlfriend comes into the room and hears him and she's like "oh he sounds so cute!" and I'm like scrambling for the mute. Lol

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2013-10-04 22:19:31 UTC
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nope we don't want to talk to you on voice comms, because it would anoye the **** out of us


uh...sure. That sounds like a totally reasonable and rational excuse. Not at all a kindergarten level attempt at projection. Roll

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you people are getting too attached as well, we like our freedom..


Wow, grasping at straws to justify being alone in a community of a couple hundred thousand people. It's not just a video game, oh no, this is about freedom. sure. Hang on, let me put the tall boots on to wade thru this...

Look, if your thing is living up to the stereotype of the nerd in a basement, alone with his cheetos and mouse clicks, that's fine. But trying to pass it off as something more noble than that is just childish.
But freedom? Really? You're stuck in a small, boring part of Eve- where 2/3 of the universe is scary and the part you do live in is full of people unable to band together to accomplish anything. In contrast, I go where I want with impunity, and can call on help (real, actual people...oh no) if things go sideways. If I need something, I ask a friend and amazingly, I get it.
THAT is freedom,dude. I fly what I want, when I want, where I want, and with an entire alliance at my back. Who has YOUR back in New Eden?

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trust me, this comes with age... you will understand someday


I'm 41, doubtful you have much to offer me on life experience. With age comes leaving mom's basement, meeting other humans and being able to interact with them. I can fire up TS right now and just chat with friends from around the world. That is really why I even play this game.
Imagine that, playing a Massively Multiplayer game with the specific intention of playing with multiple players?! Crazy talk.....
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#93 - 2013-10-04 23:25:14 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Whereas the typical nullsec bears will balk at such ideas as the OP implies, those who do try it, stabbed dessie, bomber, or not, will find themselves doing things they have not done before and having a good time at it.

This, I recall, was the point of playing a game.


As for voice comms.....

Once I was in an FCORD fleet and the FC sounded like a total nerd. It's not a crime to sound like a nerd though and I didn't care. But some ladies dig that. So my girlfriend comes into the room and hears him and she's like "oh he sounds so cute!" and I'm like scrambling for the mute. Lol

Smile Indeed, it takes some guts to crash a null gate camp solo and go deep with a low SP char in a Catalyst or Thrasher. You have to give Harry (and the rest of us) some credit for that. Smile
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#94 - 2013-10-04 23:29:35 UTC
Alaric Faelen wrote:
More than some minimum SP, more than a resume of KM's, every single recruitment thread will demand VOICE COMMS and a working mic.
For some reason, this is by far the hardest thing to get people to do. They'll text, rant on forums, whatever...but are terrified of actually speaking to another human.

More than giant fleet numbers or high end ships- what makes corps/alliances powerful is their ability to work together. Voice comms are not an option in a game like Eve. I have TeamSpeak, Mumble, and Vent all downloaded and ready so I can fleet up with pretty much anybody that isn't shooting me in the face.
That also leads to...dread...making friends.

High Sec is obsessed with playing an MMO, solo. Look at all the threads from people that will ask 'how to do this or that solo' on forums but utterly refuse to actually fleet up and possibly learn something useful.

Given that high sec'ers abjectly refuse to even associate with each other, any talk of a uprising is just hot air, and fodder for jokes.

Heh :blobbers:

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#95 - 2013-10-04 23:32:12 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Whereas the typical nullsec bears will balk at such ideas as the OP implies, those who do try it, stabbed dessie, bomber, or not, will find themselves doing things they have not done before and having a good time at it.

This, I recall, was the point of playing a game.


As for voice comms.....

Once I was in an FCORD fleet and the FC sounded like a total nerd. It's not a crime to sound like a nerd though and I didn't care. But some ladies dig that. So my girlfriend comes into the room and hears him and she's like "oh he sounds so cute!" and I'm like scrambling for the mute. Lol

Smile Indeed, it takes some guts to crash a null gate camp solo and go deep with a low SP char in a Catalyst or Thrasher. You have to give Harry (and the rest of us) some credit for that. Smile

Yeah a warp core stabbed bomber...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#96 - 2013-10-04 23:33:14 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Whereas the typical nullsec bears will balk at such ideas as the OP implies, those who do try it, stabbed dessie, bomber, or not, will find themselves doing things they have not done before and having a good time at it.

This, I recall, was the point of playing a game.


As for voice comms.....

Once I was in an FCORD fleet and the FC sounded like a total nerd. It's not a crime to sound like a nerd though and I didn't care. But some ladies dig that. So my girlfriend comes into the room and hears him and she's like "oh he sounds so cute!" and I'm like scrambling for the mute. Lol

Smile Indeed, it takes some guts to crash a null gate camp solo and go deep with a low SP char in a Catalyst or Thrasher. You have to give Harry (and the rest of us) some credit for that. Smile



It takes guts to fat-finger the cloak in a bubble blob the size of Africa and lose a bomber and not cry.

I should be sad. But I'm not. Cool

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2013-10-04 23:37:53 UTC
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Whereas the typical nullsec bears will balk at such ideas as the OP implies


Uh, what exactly then is sov warfare? See, high sec care bears TALK about invading somewhere. Null sec 'bears' as you mislabel them, actually UNDOCK AND DO IT.

Somewhat of a difference between the two.

Maybe you missed all of Fountain and Delve being taken during gigantic, server melting battles with thousands of people fighting at once. People that work together, fleet up, talk on voice comms.....all the things high sec care bears utterly refuse to do.
That only happens because we actually undock and do things....together.

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those who do try it, stabbed dessie, bomber, or not, will find themselves doing things they have not done before and having a good time at it.


Maybe. I wish they would at least try and find out. Honestly, I believe if people played Eve as it was intended- a PvP MMO, they would look back at high sec care bearing the same way the rest of us do. If people playing alone became social and fleeted up- they would love this game. The entire game is designed around fleets- specialized roles that add up to more than the sum of their parts. Literally, playing Eve solo is doing it wrong. It might be your thing, and that's fine..but that is just overcoming the game's intended premise.

The core problem is they don't understand why PvP happens. They are stuck in entry-level duelist mentality. They go to low sec risking a ship for nothing. Hoping to gank some newb and get a shiny KM? No one cares. Least of all the experienced PvP guy that just tea bagged your frozen corpse because YOU are the newb, the tourist, that you were hoping to find.

So losing means actual loss of a ship they probably spent time doing some boring PvE like mining to buy. Winning means a KM absolutely no one cares about. That would spoil anyone's idea of PvP, but that not Real PvP (tm) in Eve.

PvP happens for a reason. To take sov, defend it, to control resources or choke supply lines, practice for FC's and line pilots alike....it has SCOPE. Losing a ship isn't losing if you bubble the enemy fleet so your fleet can destroy them. If your logi kept the FC alive long enough to warp the rest of the fleet to safety. If you fund a Ship Reimbursement Program by owning POCO's and collecting taxes, and die defending it.
If you die 10 seconds after lighting a cyno because it's hot drop o' clock and your entire alliance just loaded grid with 200 Stealth Bombers. Big smile
You're immortal. Dying should be weirdly fun.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#98 - 2013-10-04 23:48:20 UTC
Alaric Faelen wrote:
Maybe you missed all of Fountain and Delve being taken during gigantic, server melting battles with thousands of people fighting at once. People that work together, fleet up, talk on voice comms.....all the things high sec care bears utterly refuse to do.
That only happens because we actually undock and do things....together.

Wait wait wait

Delve... gigantic battles? You mean bombers shooting sov structures 23.5/7 ?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#99 - 2013-10-05 00:01:09 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:


the sleeping dragon has awoken





DRACARYS
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2013-10-05 00:41:26 UTC
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Wait wait wait

Delve... gigantic battles? You mean bombers shooting sov structures 23.5/7 ?


--There are no Goons....oh wait, it's your sig that says that..Lol