Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And you're ignoring the whole "decloak and MWD bump" trick to get past the lock time delay. Even frigates, there are not too many that will be able to align and warp before I can web and scram them after a friendly bump.

As for damage application, it has 5 mids. It's too easy to slap a web or a painter on there, and then you're getting chewed up. I don't care what you think you might be able to do, I can pick my targets, and attack with surprise 95% of the time.

My suggestion was to roll the 10% into being 5% for drone damage, flight speed, hitpoints, and tracking. Haven't run the numbers yet, however.

Applied dps in general does, yes. But think about it as far as fitting goes.

I will already have 3 lowslots dedicated to drone damage. I can't really push that a whole lot farther than it already is.

I can, however, use the ship's plentiful midslots to improve application of damage. By the time I double web (or single web+paint) you, it doesn't matter if I am using Heavy, Medium, or Small drones, they will hit you, they will deliver damage.

I can't get much more benefit from application already. If application improves, the extra midslot this saves me won't be able to be used for damage. That's my rationale.

It's a gank ship. EANM, DC II. That's about enough for my taste.

O...k?

Then why did you ask me what my tank would be?

Also, I really doubt it will be the exception. This ship screams gank, and since +5 virus strength makes it useless for relic or data sites, it will be combat fit anyway, and with a cov ops cloak, one particular form of combat leaps to mind...

Yeah, my point entirely. I honestly don't care what else it's balanced around, however.

But no, +5 is not enough. T2 cov ops gives +10, and since data and relic sites no longer have rats, the improved combat ability of the SoE cruiser adds nothing except it's huge pricetag to people who want to do those sites.

This ship is for DED sites. And ganking. That's about it, as far as exploration goes, unless they add rats back to relic and data sites in low/nullsec.

So yeah, there aren't many exploration fits. So? It's objectively and obviously inferior in every way possible compared to a cov ops frigate. So people won't use it for that. What point are you trying to make, anyway?

I've said this once before and I'll say it again. I love these ships.

As a gaming community, we tend to focus on the pew in the game. After reading this thread and mulling over the ideas listed by players and CCP I've come to a few conclusions:

1. Exploration for all sites should be the focus. Covert Ops allows for high/low sec players to experiment with worm holes and null. Those players will not have the luxury to swap out ships. So I agree with the explorers (I am not one) and think it will be important for these ships to be viable for all exploration tasks. That means scanning AND pew sites.

2. I don't like lasers. But that's the theme. I think the two turret points on the cruiser with a 100% dmg mod will strongly encourage that theme. I think the 5H slots are needed. Salvager/Covert Ops/Improved Scanner/2x Turrets. 5/5/5 works.

3. The Frigate desperately needs 3 high slots. The same 100% laser bonus would work with one turret hard point as well.

Would I like to support a humanitarian theme? Heck yes. But not at the expense of exploration as that career needs more love. The pew/pew should come into play for the DED sites. Add a covert to target delay larger than most un-bonused ships to discourage them for pvp.

Covert ops are specialized ships intended for one role they should be better at what they do than all else.

They are for all around exploration not just DED sites, it they were there would be no need for a scanner probe strength bonus and a virus strength bonus.

Players are focusing on exactly ONE aspect of these ships and disregarding all other aspects.

Yep, which means they totally invalidate any other ship competing with them for that aspect. Because in relic and data sites, now that there are no rats, there are absolutely no other concerns besides how fast you can get the site done. Since T2 cov ops is the best at that, everything else may as well not apply, especially in null/lowsec.



Except that they are worse at relic and data sites, and VASTLY better at DED sites than exploration ships. Clearly, their use is for DED sites. And probe strength benefits DED site running, and ganking, equally well.



Mostly because all the other aspects of the ship are really half assed.

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