Player Features and Ideas Discussion

depend on the battleship, a dominix or armageddon would just swallow them and spit the remains out.

But they could **** of a lot an abaddon for example.

It is if the opponent ship is a Sentinel or Keres. One damp puts the Thrasher's lock range to pretty far below 24km. One TD puts the gun range to far below 24km. As for the Hyena, yeah, if it's target is a long range ship that can mean poor things if it decides to try and kite, but it can always web anything at all, at any range within point range and move in under the guns (if it can survive that long).

Kagura Nikon

Provided a Keres can lock a dominix or Armageddon before being locked. Drones will not agress the Keres. Arguments can be made that the Dominix or Armageddon would drop drones first. No doubt that would be wise. However, provided the Keres can destroy a single flight of drones. The aforementioned would still occur. NO damage being applied to the Keres and the Keres holding said ships indefinitely.

A Keres is able to "point" something @ 36,000m without overheating. 2 Dampers applied to an Armageddon or Dominix will lower their locking range to around 18,000m

Anyway.

Like I stated before. The Keres, Kitsune, and Sentinel are capable of removing damage of or holding MOST ships on grid INDEFINITELY.

On another note. I agree with what someone else suggested. I brought up the idea that electronic attack frigates overall velocity should be reduced. All of them should not exceed 2000 m/sec. I also wanted to increase their survivability to give others something be happy about but maybe they SHOULD be EVEN less survivable like ShahFluffers suggested.

Honestly Rise!?

These changes look ******* fantastic!! I especially like the retention of varied cap recharge based on hull (something that is missed from mos of fozzie's balance passes) as well as the Increased ehp. These ships are all very strong in particular niches, which is exactly how they should work.

Keep up the good work!

Wnat to try? because the changes of now ar ento relevant.. the keres already drop non booster battleship lock ranges to udner dampeners range and under current lock range.

So this scenario of your swould already happen all the time....

Should also have a drone damage bonus while you're theorycrafting your ******** unbalanced solopwnmobile.

I'm not sure if you're agreeing by attempting to repeat what I was stating or trying to refute whatever.

To be clear. Tracking Disruptors and Sensor Dampeners are effective irrespective of bonuses. Which is and has been a problem for awhile now. I'm also against what I see as "OVERLAP". A ship or classes of ships doing the EXACT SAME THING.

As far as the Velocity of a support ship being low relative to cruisers. What of it? That's what fitting overdrive and nanofibers is for. I have in fact used the Keres and Sentinel. One in fleets and the other solo. So yeah I'm fairly sure I can hold certain ships indefinitely or remove their ability to project damage significantly.

I WANT DAMPERS AND TRACKING DISRUPTORS NERFED HARD. I'm not in favor of putting another ship or class of ship out there to abuse said mechanics.

Anyway.

There have been suggestions a Keres or Sentinel would explode if 1 single battleship. Clearly that's not the case. Things will be an issue in scaled engagements with multiple opponents but recons have that same issue. Especially if they're not supported by logistics.

Some other dude suggested high signature was the reason he didn't use a electronic attack frigate. So I'm assuming you'd like an interceptor/assault like bonus to electronic attack frigates? So why fly an interceptor tat that point? For what immunity to warp disruption bubbles? In an actual engagements I'd rather have the long warp disruptor (36,000m) and offensive electronic warfare (remote sensor dampeners). It would literally do a lot more for the fleet than an interceptor would.

Also in scaled engagements there tend to be support ships. Loki's, Proteus, Rapiers and or Arazu's. Interceptors tend to explode a lot in scaled engagements PERIOD. Even though they have low signatures. It's hard to reduce incoming damage from multiple directions. Some ships are going to hit you.

So, the point is ALL FRIGATES HAVE ISSUES IN SCALED ENGAGEMENTS WITH REGARD TO SURVIVABILITY IRReSPECTIVE OF BONUSES TO SHIP SIGNATURE.


Anyway. I've already said what I wanted to say and I'm just repeating myself. Moving on and I'll just continue to read other players opinions in this thread.

2k ms you can fit all your lows with nanofibers and minmatar t1 cruisers would still eat you for breakfast in seconds. In fact the sleipnir can almost catch you.


They can be made slower, but not so much.




I Am on opposite view, i like d more in the past where not only decicated ships coudl fit some ewar. Now the metagame is much more limited because you are NOT going to see ECM, or track disruptors or damps on a non bonused ship, except in very very very rare situations.

When the unbonused ewar was nerfed, that was when the tempest lost its OMPH!!.



My point on the current situation is that doomsayers, calling that keres will be able to shutdown all form of solo pvp are wrong, because they would already have this capability agaisnt most ships as of TODAY, yet their usage is rare.

^ this ^ buff the pilgrim!

This is only because...

- Ewar cruisers are MUCH more survivable (won't instapop to a fast sniper or die in mere seconds to interceptors or drones).
- faster ships (like the Condor or Interceptors) can use Ewar about 70 to 80% as effectively as a dedicated Ewar ship (exception; Griffin, Kitsune, Sentinel) and can deal non-insignificant amounts of damage relative to Ewar frigs.


Also take into account that snake implant sets and skirmish links can drastically increase the engagement envelope of these ships. Dual TD or Damp Condors with 30km point ranges and 4000 m/sec speeds are already rife in low-sec.

If people want to see more Ewar frigates...
- nerf Ewar across the board (so it's more attractive to use the "right ship for the right job").
- buff the bonuses of Ewar ships (making them as good as they are now).
- remove the DPS abilities of Ewar frigates (they are specialist ships, right? And you want to encourage them to work with others).
- now increase their speed.

This I can live with.