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Tom Clancy dead at 66

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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#21 - 2013-10-03 00:15:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Plastic Psycho
voetius wrote:

Hunt for Red October was ok at the time but I much preferred Red Storm Rising, that was a classic Cold War / WW III novel and I think was based on Harpoon as well.

It cribbed very heavily from General Sir John Hackett's Third World War; A Future History.

Clancy did flip the conclusion over, in interests of storytelling. Sir John and friends were more interested in probable outcomes, based on the situation as he understood it. I haven't read the updated version, though.
Kyseth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2013-10-03 00:38:35 UTC
Hmm, I just realized during all of this talk about Hunt for Red October that Mr. Clancy expired in October. Interesting line up of events.

o7 Mr. Clancy.
Rain6638
Simulacra and Simulation
Dracarys.
#23 - 2013-10-03 01:01:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6638
he was a great military fiction writer, prolific, even. he was very diligent about taking a conglomeration of leaked anecdotal military facts and binding them with an exciting and fantastic story. he was often officially debriefed following the release of his books.

my personal take centers around the book cover/sleeve images of Tom on the deck of a submarine or other military setting, wearing a baseball cap embroidered with a submarine or aircraft carrier designation (etc)... even before joining the military myself, he struck me as the fanboy type. maybe it was his average middle age physique that was a detractor from his credibility ...in my mind.

He wrote great books, and I read quite a few of them myself. I enjoyed the video games that carried his name...

For the purpose of sharing my personal thoughts on an accomplished man, with a good amount of certainty his relatives will not read this post, I want to close by saying that I just wonder what the justification was, in his mind, for showing so much interest in the military without having served himself. Please, excuse me for being impolite, I just think his body of work begs the question.

sure, he had other careers, but that level of interest does not occur overnight. something like a physical limitation that precluded him from military service would make sense to me. or some other exceptional circumstance. but not much else.

I don't mean to say Clancy is less accomplished by comparison, but I'm reminded of Ludlum's passing, which caused real pangs of sadness. hell, even now.

Ludlum, Tolkien. I wish they could live forever. Maybe the only difference is Clancy attempted to develop too many characters, and as a result I wasn't so deeply connected with Dingo like I was with Jason, or Frodo.

...err. Ding. like I was saying

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-10-03 02:52:05 UTC
Well you could always take Dr Johnsons view that:

"Every man thinks meanly of himself for not having been a soldier, or not having been at sea."

Perhaps he wrote so much and had so much interest as he had never served and thus felt guilty.

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Rain6638
Simulacra and Simulation
Dracarys.
#25 - 2013-10-03 03:09:26 UTC
I almost want to delete my post, it does seem rather impolite to bring it up in a wake topic...

there's... a common thread between Clancy, Tolkien, Ludlum, and Chrichton, and King. their books were the basis of not just great movies, but successful movie franchises. I empathize with Clancy's fans who will now have to wonder what might have happened in the future for Jack Ryan and Domingo Chavez.

yeah, I apologize. for the sake of decency, I could post something superficial or fake, or nothing at all... instead I've come off as callous after speaking my mind, which is somewhat desensitized to the thought of death and dying. please keep that context in mind Ugh

he's left more of a legacy than I ever will. I'm pretty sure.

back to where we came from. His candle burned out long before his legend ever will

ok, that's callous. joking about death is a coping mechanism

damn, maybe I shouldn't have said anything.

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#26 - 2013-10-03 13:44:46 UTC
One article I saw said he was in ROTC* in high school, but eventually rejected by the Army because he was nearsighted. I didn't know the Army rejected people because of eyesight. Maybe he was really, really nearsighted.

*Reserve Officer Training Corp
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#27 - 2013-10-03 13:56:59 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
One article I saw said he was in ROTC* in high school, but eventually rejected by the Army because he was nearsighted. I didn't know the Army rejected people because of eyesight. Maybe he was really, really nearsighted.

*Reserve Officer Training Corp



I've never ever heard of that. Maybe the real reason for the rejection is the following has been tin-foil hatted

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#28 - 2013-10-03 15:00:02 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
One article I saw said he was in ROTC* in high school, but eventually rejected by the Army because he was nearsighted. I didn't know the Army rejected people because of eyesight. Maybe he was really, really nearsighted.

*Reserve Officer Training Corp


That's true. They had no issue with me being near sighted, colorblind to red and blues, or even that I have a weak knee that prone to dislocation. I got rejected every time for being crazy.

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-10-03 15:13:12 UTC
Being crazy isnt a solid reason. You must have just looked at them funny. P

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"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#30 - 2013-10-03 15:26:25 UTC
I rejected the Air Force because they rejected me for the job I wanted. I wanted to be a Navigator/Radar Intercept Officer, but my hearing was bad from too much rock and roll and/or firearms. The offered me Missile Launch Officer instead. That's where you sit in a missile silo out in the middle of nowhere and wait to push the button on doomsday.
Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-10-03 15:34:26 UTC
Tbh you must have an amazingly stable psychological profile to get that placement.

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Random McNally
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#32 - 2013-10-03 15:40:10 UTC
They offered to have me mop floors.

But only in the public areas. I think it was because I was really nearsighted.

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#33 - 2013-10-03 16:30:40 UTC
Graygor wrote:
Tbh you must have an amazingly stable psychological profile to get that placement.

I think it might be a job that they put the non-science majors people in. The guys going into pilot and navigator jobs all pretty much had engineering degrees and private pilot licenses, plus ROTC experience. And of course perfect eyesight and hearing. You could qualify for a flying job based on your physical tests and the written exams, but if you'd probably still get edged out if you didn't have the engineering degree, pilot's license, and ROTC. And then among those few flying jobs there was a hierarchy:
4. Navigators - backseat dead weight
3. Cargo pilots - truck driver
2. Bomber pilots - not good enough for fighters
1. Fighter pilots - ultra alpha male

And among the fighter pilots, the elite of the elite were the F-15 drivers. I guess the top spot would be F-22 pilot these days.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#34 - 2013-10-03 18:17:39 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
One article I saw said he was in ROTC* in high school, but eventually rejected by the Army because he was nearsighted. I didn't know the Army rejected people because of eyesight. Maybe he was really, really nearsighted.

*Reserve Officer Training Corp

Sufficiently bad eyesight will absolutely get you rejected. It has to be really baaaaad, though. 5 diopters, IIRC from my time as a Recruiter.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#35 - 2013-10-04 13:47:35 UTC
My father's dream was to be a Railroad Engineer, but that got dashed as he was color blind utterly. Red and green lights look exactly alike.

So.....he wound up engineering and designing really large paper mills.

Go figure.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#36 - 2013-10-04 13:55:18 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
My father's dream was to be a Railroad Engineer, but that got dashed as he was color blind utterly. Red and green lights look exactly alike.

So.....he wound up engineering and designing really large paper mills.

Go figure.


Yeah I'm not nearly that bad. In fact I've gotten better at differentiating considering that I've been working in printer technologies for the past 10 years. In fact probably the only one I really have an issue with now are dark blues and purple when the shades are really close.

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-10-05 06:45:58 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Graygor wrote:
Tbh you must have an amazingly stable psychological profile to get that placement.

I think it might be a job that they put the non-science majors people in. The guys going into pilot and navigator jobs all pretty much had engineering degrees and private pilot licenses, plus ROTC experience. And of course perfect eyesight and hearing. You could qualify for a flying job based on your physical tests and the written exams, but if you'd probably still get edged out if you didn't have the engineering degree, pilot's license, and ROTC. And then among those few flying jobs there was a hierarchy:
4. Navigators - backseat dead weight
3. Cargo pilots - truck driver
2. Bomber pilots - not good enough for fighters
1. Fighter pilots - ultra alpha male

And among the fighter pilots, the elite of the elite were the F-15 drivers. I guess the top spot would be F-22 pilot these days.


Damn pilots.

Tanks are where the actions at.

"I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." - Kenneth O'Hara

"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate

Alpharius Aleutinus
Ascon Research
#38 - 2013-10-05 09:34:09 UTC
I didn't read his books, but I did watch some films based on his books. I think Tom Clancy created a certain myth around himself. And that is not something anyone can do.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#39 - 2013-10-05 11:30:37 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
My father's dream was to be a Railroad Engineer, but that got dashed as he was color blind utterly. Red and green lights look exactly alike.

So.....he wound up engineering and designing really large paper mills.

Go figure.


Yeah I'm not nearly that bad. In fact I've gotten better at differentiating considering that I've been working in printer technologies for the past 10 years. In fact probably the only one I really have an issue with now are dark blues and purple when the shades are really close.



Yeah. There's a spot in Golden Gate Park that for a few weeks every year blooms in spectacular blue and purple flowers of all species, but to my dad, it was all just a solid wall of green.

I always felt sad for him about things like that.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

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