Player Features and Ideas Discussion

For the love of God people, will you please stop suggesting 5% virus with 3 mid slots on your PvP fits for the asteros.
CCP might listen to you! Then this would be as much use as a chocolate teapot for exploration.Smothered at birth.

CCP Rise, You know that 10% virus strength and 4 mid slots are needed for exploration, + 10 virus for everything harder than hisec
and 4 mids for relic cargo probe data and prop mod.

Do not let them mission creep this one into uselessness.

Regarding overlap if the asteros could only have a core probe launcher and not combat launcher if using a cloak then that would go a long way to creating a significant difference. And with only 2 highs cyno becomes harder without making choices.

Helios (Gallente CovOps), AFAIR, has only two highs too, so it's still out of luck (except combat probe launcher, as you propose)

disregard, i'm bad

if it was truely a galente amarr hybrid faction i would see it the same way but
its a factio desingend to do stuff that all people enjoy so it should be open to pilots of all factions thus id even would like to see it that you can use say :

amar/caldari skill for the 4% resistances
and galente/minmatar skill for drone bonuses

cause i belive good exploration ships shouldnt be naturally better avalible to new pilots that already have skilled amarr or galente

this is why i see the bonus on energy weapons as some kind of unatural bonus cause fixing a drawback on lasers makes em more desirable on a ship which has no launcher slots cause in most long range pve cases beams will now be the weapon of choice

I spent few minutes in EFT with the ships and I think they are looking good. The EWAR options provided with the good amount of midslots is what I especially like. I tried to keep the pimp reasonable and cost effective, plenty of room for moar shiny stuff. Stats all V, based on Namamai's files.
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[Astero, Cookie lowsec]
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Centii A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Drone Damage Amplifier II

1MN Afterburner II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Anti-Explosive Pump I

Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

122 (Hobs) / 99 (Warriors) DPS
5315 EHP, 98/124 DPS repped (omnidamage)
1006 m/s, 2,6 sec propless align

SAAR or SAAR + 200mm plate could be options for the tank. Lowish DPS but should still have a fairly good engagement profile for a frig.


[Stratios, Cookie]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
10MN Afterburner II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

584 (Ogres) / 475 (Berserkers) DPS
61832 uniform EHP (68686 with T2 rigs)
1298 / 497 m/s, 5,3 sec propless align

Not a DPS monster (lol at the webless shield, neutron + oh Void fits in the thread), but has dual med neuts, small NOS (medium is doable with a bit of implant love), dual prop, covops cloak, probe launcher (for ganking sig runners). close to unlimited drone bay, and 3 med slots and spare CPU (this config 469/500) for whatever EWAR you like. Not bad at all. Should work solo or as a scout for a small gang.

Honestly, who cares about PVE fits. PVP is what these will (and IMO should) be used for. Also, any laser bonus on the Stratios will be rather useless (both for PVE and PVP), please consider substituting it for something else.

I like the new ships. However, I have some questions in my mind.

1- After these ships are released, because of their multi-role hulls, won't t1/t2 scout ships become obsolete? I will gladly switch my cheetah to one of these, because of their better firepower, exploration support, tanking ability and "extremely high agility" Let's not forget that if you get busted by a regular frig during an hacking attempt within a t1/t2 scout ship, you're 90% dead.

2- Since "extreme high agility" is a concern of the design, why it is an armor tanked ship? I don't say that everyone will throw 1600/800/400mm plates on it, but hey, if you can max out ehp, these will become also a nice bait ships. Moreover, people will fit tank on these ships in order to prevent immediate destruction when running exploration sites, so "agility" part of this ship will be crippled.

3- I forgot this while I was writing second :s

Why are people mindlessly copying +5 virus strength???? It needs + 10 please think about more than dps when posting. you will kill these ships before they are even born. ONLY EXPLORERS WITH ALL SKILLS IN EXPLORING WILL TAKE THESE OUT OF HISEC WITH 5%

This is a real world applicable fit. Webs to apply damage, respectable tank. I'd rather guns in the highs but that's a personally choice. Even with blasters in the highs I'd hit 650 DPS tops?

Please stop posting gank fits. Its not realistic. The catalyst can easily hit 500-600 dps with the right implants. Yet you rarely see them unless they're ganking miners

I truly hope a CCP dev sees this post.

There are two things I love to do in Eve more than anything else. Probe down sites to hack/analyze and probe down ships so that I or my alliance mates might try to destroy them. I like probing and exploring very very much and recent changes to launching and arranging probes along with the changes to the hacking/archeology sites have improved my experience immensely.

I prefer to explore in nullsec because it is the most exciting/dangerous frontier, yields the best loot and there are so many nullsec systems to see. The only reason I would explore in lowsec is to find gas sites and the only reason I ever explored in highsec were because my skills weren't yet maxed and I was still timid about the dangers of leaving highsec space. But even with maxed hacking/archeology skills, using a covert ops frigate fit with memetic algorithm bank and emission scope analyzer rigs and with tech 2 analyzer and hacking modules the hacking minigames in nullsec sites can be viciously difficult.

+5 virus strength?

I will never use these ships for exploration.

Without probe launcher fitting bonuses, using an expanded probe launcher seems barely viable on the Stratios. So I don't think I will use the Stratios for helping my gang find people either. Especially when the covert ops frigate is so much less expensive and has a higher scanning strength.

When I saw that SOE ships were going to be introduced I was overjoyed. As someone who spends most of his time in New Eden launching probes and finding what is hidden, to hear that the faction that makes the best probes, probe launchers and probing implants were getting their very own ships made me so very excited and hopeful. I had hoped to perhaps find a cruiser that was a middle ground between the covert ops frigate and strategic cruiser with emergent locus analyzer and covert reconfiguration subsystems.

Seeing these probe and hacking specs leaves me so very very disappointed.

“What we're shooting for is ships that are themed around exploration...”

If you are going to introduce these ships as they are, it seems wrong to market them as exploration themed vessels.
I consider myself to be an avid explorer but I will never buy these ships.