Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Wake up dammit stubborn people. When peoipel say OP they are NOT referign to DED or ANY PVE. No one cares how overpowered a ship can be in PVE sicne PVE is INCREDBLY easy in this game.


THey are complainign that it will be an EXTREMELY OVERPOWERED PVP SHIP!!

Wake up... no one cares.. o at least no one worth listening to cares for PVE balance!

Even with max skills the Astero's dps is totally anemic.

To put this in perspective, the Astero will be easily beaten by an average T1 frigate.

The Stratios will easily beat any T1 cruiser and could reasonably take on most battlecruisers and faction cruisers.

As a PvPer and sometime combat site runner, I'm pretty excited about that there cruiser. I think I'll have a lot of fun in it.

One concern however, that I'm hearing from explorers I know, is that they don't think these ships will be able to do nullsec hacking sites. They feel that the bonus to virus strength is insufficient to allow them to succeed.

While overlap and the making redundant of more specialised ships is always a concern, it seems to me that the exploration of deep nullsec is what these ships have at their core. They should be able to run nullsec sites.

Thanks for your work. I really am looking forward to U-boating in my Stratios.

Considering the awsome that is stratios, i hope you put 2 additional highs on the astero for a cloak and probe launcher.

Gardes wouldn't work because rats would shoot them and you wouldn't be able to pick them up, since you're applying 900 mythical DPS with blaster and void at 3km remember?

1) In the same time faction ships obviously never had covops cloak before - distinctive feature of t2 ships. So I see no reason why they don't have such prerequisites - it's OP - why would you ever need to train CovOps and, as some people say, even recons with these?

2) :3

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How does that correlate to covert cloaking full tackle and tank with eWar and near T2 damage? Where is the "Hippy" in the proposed ships .. you want to hang all the lore on the probing?

Frigate is good, not too much but not too little either. Will make CovOps largely obsolete but that's a different story and can be sorted when they get tiericided.

Cruiser is practically a covert cloaky Ishtar with godlike slots .. it is so juiced up that L.Armstrong would be proud.
- Laser cap bonus. What the hell is that doing there in the first place, unbonused lasers are craptastic to say the least and with drones the cap-less PvE is amply covered.
- Drone HP bonus, +25 or 50m3. It needs to be hippie themed, sure they have teeth but the damn things are brittle as only hemp chewing tea drinkers teeth can be. Still allows PvP but without stomping on every damn HAC foot within 200 parsecs, what you should be aiming for is a VW Kombi/Minibus and not a HumVee.
+ RR efficiency bonus with hull repairer included. HIPPIES! Love all around, in PvE to cuddle the flimsy drones in between orgies and in PvP to kiss the weary warriors and make it all better .. replace the laser cap bonus with this and all is well.

Would be nonsense bcause all pirate factions have 1 bonus from each of their races.


Imagine if the machariel had also Droen damage bonus... would be exact same thing. In fact sicne the machariel is a jove design that the angels salgaved, maybe it should have adoomsday device as well..

The frigate I like. It could work better with 3/3/4 slot layout, but the lack of high slots is well compensated by the fact that most of its damage will be done with drones. Four midslots on an armour-tanked frigate will guarantee some interesting (as well as stupid) fits.
Sadly it cannot (realistically) fit an Expanded Probe Launcher, so I expect it to be much more popular for doing lowsec Radar/Data sites than for PvP.

The cruiser I have more issues with though. First, it's the slot layout - five lows isn't enough for an armour tanked T1 drone cruiser since you'll need a DDA or two. Again, considering the fact that it's a drone boat, I would not remove a midslot but a highslot to compensate for addition of 6th lowslot.
But that's only if you insist of keeping the Armour resistance bonus typical to Amarr ships, because the existing slot layout would be fine if you would replace the resist bonus with something which would allow more flexibility when it comes to fitting, such as capacitor recharge bonus (or even reduction in capacitor use for all active modules - if that would be even be possible without rewriting a whole bunch of code).
Role Bonus of 50% reduction in Energy Turret capacitor need I also don't like since it further limits the ship's flexibility - we have 3 laser-using factions (Amarr, Sansha, Blood Raiders) so I don't think we need another one. Another drone bonus would suit better here (my recommendation: 50% bonus to drone control range). And the drone bay deserves a nerf (or at least the bandwidth could be reduced to 100m^3), as it is unparralled by anything else but carriers.

Just judging from the announcement, they've pretty much drawn their line as to the role of the ship. Especially as it is thoroughly in keeping with what they were trying to push in Odyssey and what they are pushing in Rubicon.

It's pretty much a solo player oriented ship. Logi is by definition a group style gameplay ship.