Ships & Modules

For incursions, use turrets. Don't bother training up to T2 launchers for incursions, it's a waste of SP. Go for T2 guns.

Rattlesnake is fine only because its primary source of damage is sentries instead of missiles. For incursions I imagine you're probably going to be at ranges too far out for torps and will need to use cruises.

If u are running Vanguards Incursion then u should fit Torpedos.
If u are running Assaults Incursion then u should fit Cruise Missiles.

However, as ppl mentioned here Guns are doing better in incursion.. The Blasters are for Vanguards and Railguns for Assaults.

I'll chime in with something a bit different ...

Yes, turrets are better for Incursions, not dismissing that, but if like me you don't have T2 turrets yet, Missiles can do.

I usually run HQs, so my comments are based on that :

- Cruises missiles for sniping purposes SUCK BALLS : the travel time means that when you're shooting targets 100+ kms away, the other snipers with guns will have killed the target before your missiles get there.

- Having said that, you'll be forced to play the close range DPS role ... and since in HQs it's mostly BSes with smaller enemies being taken care of by a "drone bunny" (fast locking ship with all the drones of the fleet assisting him), you'll want to do the most damage possible.

As others have said, Vindicators are a popular choice, and they have very close range, so you'll probably be in the same group than them, and there the 33% increase in damage from the Torpedoes really pays off, even more so since most of the ships will run Target Painters, meaning you can apply 100% of your damage on the chosen target.

So, if you're dead set on using missiles, I'd recommend Torpedoes and a Navy Raven over a cruise-missile Rattlesnake.

Here's a shiny, blingy fit :

[Raven Navy Issue, RNI-Torps 1386 DPS]

Low slots:

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II

Medium slots :

Gist X-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Domination Target Painter
Domination Target Painter
True Sansha Stasis Webifier
True Sansha Stasis Webifier

High slots :

Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo

Rig slots :

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst II

Drones :

Medium Armor Maintenance Bot II x5
Hammerhead II x5

Ammo :

Mjolnir Rage Torpedo x6240
Nanite Repair Paste x100


The CN ballistic controls are really vital, the Gist MWD too to keep pace with the vindi's, but the tanking modules can be T2, depending on the fleet you're flying with.

Be warned, tough : it's not a Vindicator with 1800+ DPS, so you will get passed over in favour of the vindis, but it works, I've been able to get into HQ fleets with a fit similar to that.

I get almost 1k dps with my Cruise RNI and can give 3-4 links in a VG, and my FC's still want me to lose 250 dps and the utility slots to fly a Mach. If you like missiles you'll hate incursions.

I don't know about AS, but in HQ an RNI with Cruises won't be a good sniper : the travel time of the missiles mean that most of the time, the Machariels and Nightmares will have killed the target before the missiles reach it.

Selecting ammo means diddly squat in Incursions, the Sanshas in there are omni-tanked, with the same resistances against every type of damage. The consensus for missile users is to buy the cheapest ammo available.

At least with TVP, *IF* you can get in a fleet with a missile boat, it'll be with torpedoes on a RNI (with dual painters and a webber) as part of the close-range DPS squad.

Yes, the Rattlesnake can be a good anchor, mostly due to the resistance bonus, but you'll need maxed skills and a lot of experience to be considered for that role.

Lastly, I can get 1380 DPS out of my torp-RNI with Rage torps and a flight of 5 Hammerheads II, and that's with Torp Spec to 4 and not a single missile implant ... with maxed skills and a set of missile implants, you can reach 1580 DPS with a properly setup torp-RNI, and that will be accepted as a close-range DPS boat.

But that's for HQ fleets. Never ran a VG, and from a bit of calculation, Scout sites are basically wasting ISK, your ammo will cost more than the ISK/LP payout.

Because ultimately, you'll want a multi-billion setup to optimize your efficiency in Incursions.

Those are not flown alone, you're in a fleet and you can use D-scan.

Also, I said that you can use almost the same setup with Tech 2 modules (except the MWD and BCS, those need the bling).

ANYTHING can be a gank magnet in this game is the ganker wants you dead badly enough.

Heck, even my tech 1 fitted, not even rigged Noctis was deemed juicy enough that I got ganked in it while looting a mission last week.

I've used all four damage types of Rage torps, and didn't see a single digit of difference in the volleys I did ... EM vs shield = 9K, Explosive vs shield (the worst) = still 9K. And that's with so many Target Painters on the target that I could apply 100% of my Rage Torpedoes damage.

OK, I didn't try a Cruise Sniper setup, but from what I've seen in the last couple of fleets I've done, the "sniper squad" of a couple of TachMares and a couple of 1400's Mach *MELT* each enemy BS in a few of seconds, so unless you have super-duper-ultra-sekkrit Cruise missiles that can cross 150+kms in less than 6 seconds, I don't believe you.