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The CSM6 emergency summit minutes are out.

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Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-09-09 14:27:08 UTC
After a long delay, and a lot of back and forth between the CSM and CCP, we have managed to get the minutes out, more or less completely un-doctored and exactly how it was supposed to be, this is a victory for both the CSM and the player-base as a whole:

You can read the devblog about it here:

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=2386

(sorry about the delay)

Former member of CSM6.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2011-09-09 14:28:08 UTC
Good things come to thosewho waitBlink
RUSROG
Avalanche.
#3 - 2011-09-09 14:29:06 UTC
Praise the...wait. Never mind.

Finally.
Tethys Atreides
The Audacity of Huge
#4 - 2011-09-09 14:29:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tethys Atreides
Quote:
The CSM generally agreed that from a purely technical standpoint, Incarna had generally been a very successful expansion. Apart from the usual and expected hiccups, the deployment of the software was very smooth.


Really? How much Brennivín had you guys sucked down by this point?

Vapid platitudes aside, what struck me upon first reading this is how much time you spent complaining about the NeX pricing, and how little you talked about the distribution of effort between flying in space (FiS) and walking in stations (WiS). NeX exists to make CCP money. They are going to find a sweet spot eventually. The issue is how much of CCPs resources are being focused on that goal. There is a point of diminishing returns at which people will just stop playing, regardless of how good their characters look, because they are bored. I wish you had addressed this rather than bickering over pricing strategies.

I thank you guys for getting a firm commitment from CCP regarding "Golden Ammo". Good job on that.

Last but not least. Many of the issues surrounding the release of Incarna were chalked up to "a failure of communication". Don't you think that taking 3 months to publish 8 pages of text is just another in a long string failures? Why did it take so long to put this vanilla document in front of the players?
Sader Rykane
Midnight Sentinels
#5 - 2011-09-09 14:31:56 UTC
These minutes are going to be [REDACTED]. My favorite part was where they allowed us to [REDACTED]. If this is where [REDACTED] is [REDACTED] then why are the [REDACTED] allowed to touch the hamsters? I mean [REDACTED] is in no way going to allow [REDACTED] to function and I can't believe they actually used broccoli that way. Wtf CCP, that is not the way a proper [REDACTED] does [REDACTED].


I got to say I'm really [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] by what's going on in this company.


Sincerely,
Sader [REDACTED]
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#6 - 2011-09-09 14:33:31 UTC
good to see that CCP and the CSM finally got along to release the minutes.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Koby Botick
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-09-09 14:35:22 UTC
First battle won it seems. Now to the war at large we turn our attention.

Thanks for your persverance and good luck with that which is to come.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#8 - 2011-09-09 14:44:16 UTC
All that herf derf and that was it?

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Hung TuLo
Running with Dogs
Out of the Blue.
#9 - 2011-09-09 14:48:41 UTC
I cannot beleive that tis CSM group is so arrogant. It's a game folks, Maybe CCP should say this is none of your business why we prices things the way we do. Maybe that CCP giving so much power to players allows the whining to continue. Maybe the players need to grow up and stick to their play dolls or making paper airplanes.

Sheese, It's a game.

"In space all warriors are cold warriors" ---  General Chang  Star Trek VI
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-09-09 14:50:14 UTC
WOW all old news that has been rehashed several thousand times on the forums by now.
Thanks for finally putting it out, but now it is out of date and obsolete.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-09-09 14:56:19 UTC
Hung TuLo wrote:
I cannot beleive that tis CSM group is so arrogant. It's a game folks, Maybe CCP should say this is none of your business why we prices things the way we do. Maybe that CCP giving so much power to players allows the whining to continue. Maybe the players need to grow up and stick to their play dolls or making paper airplanes.

Sheese, It's a game.


But Eve is real.

Stuff Goes here
Psychophantic
#12 - 2011-09-09 14:57:39 UTC
Time to copypasta your favorite quotes.

Quote:
stating for the record that there are not, nor have there ever been, any plans to introduce game-breaking items or enhancements to eve


Well we know that they had plans to sell remaps for plex, and to introduce a re-skinned ship for aurum before they'd implemented the trade in system thus making ships appear out of thin air (sorry industry). Guess this leaves a lot of wiggle room on their part to define game-breaking items.

Quote:
EvE has been, and will continue to be, ONE OF the companys core projects


No longer their core project.

Quote:
would never, either as individuals or as a company, intentionally try to hurt eve


Great, so it's just basic ineptitude then.
Hotaru Yamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-09-09 14:58:23 UTC
It's about time. I'm looking forward to what went on "behind the scenes" during that week. :)
Bel Amar
Rules of Acquisition
#14 - 2011-09-09 14:59:43 UTC
Hung TuLo wrote:
Maybe the players need to grow up and stick to their play dolls...


'cause that makes a ton of sense :)
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#15 - 2011-09-09 15:07:40 UTC
Got to the part where video cards overheating was a primary concern and threw up a little. No wonder you didn't want the minutes released.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#16 - 2011-09-09 15:12:18 UTC
Less minutes, less door, and more ship spinning.
Signal11th
#17 - 2011-09-09 15:12:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
TL DR



Some players aren't happy

OK we are sort of sorry,

Hilmar you are a clown!

Can't you tone that down, maybe say I was misunderstood?

No!

Let's go to Karamba's

Let's Roll.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#18 - 2011-09-09 15:21:20 UTC
Quote:
The CSM emphatically reiterated their stance that EVE players should not have to spend real life money to have an advantage over other players, since anything of that nature would render the EVE sandbox pointless. CCP clearly stated again that there are not, nor have there ever been, any plans of this nature


Quote:
CCP clearly stated that the investment of money in EVE should not give a player an unfair advantage over the investment of time.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Gefgarion Ankatar
The Bloody Dogs of War
#19 - 2011-09-09 15:22:43 UTC
Seems like only the bare minimum was discussed to placate the players. What about the real backlog of issues that was really the root cause. Nex and Incarna were only the toppings on the crapheap

$99 licenses?
18 months?
Commitment to excellence?
Iterate on existing content?
Fix current broken content?
Resources wasted on crap that isn't eve?
Etc...
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#20 - 2011-09-09 15:23:26 UTC
Denidil wrote:


Quote:
CCP clearly stated that the investment of money in EVE should not give a player an unfair advantage over the investment of time.


I look forward to CCP removing PLEX from the game.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
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