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X ATM092
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-10-03 17:32:51 UTC
CCP said they were introducing Rapid Heavy Missile Launchers to the game in Rubicon. If the example of RLMs is anything to go by the ship bonus which will apply to RHMLs will be heavy missile damage (currently found on bcs and cruisers) and RHML RoF (currently found on no ships). However RHMLs will be a battleship sized weapon. What this means is that unless CCP create ship bonuses to go with the RHMLs then they simply won't work.

I propose that they simply add RHML bonuses to the present bonuses on the raven, navy raven, typhoon and navy typhoon in line with the present bonus. So 5% RHML RoF and 10% RHM velocity on the raven for example. Otherwise we'll get a weapon system without a platform.

Can CCP please confirm that they've remembered to create a platform for the weapon system? Thanks.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#2 - 2013-10-03 18:47:36 UTC
+1

Seems logical that the rhmls would follow the rlm line. Keeping innate ship bonues intake would preserve the continuity of existing ship hulls and playstyles.
Vrenth
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-10-03 19:13:44 UTC
X ATM092 wrote:
CCP said they were introducing Rapid Heavy Missile Launchers to the game in Rubicon. If the example of RLMs is anything to go by the ship bonus which will apply to RHMLs will be heavy missile damage (currently found on bcs and cruisers) and RHML RoF (currently found on no ships). However RHMLs will be a battleship sized weapon. What this means is that unless CCP create ship bonuses to go with the RHMLs then they simply won't work.

I propose that they simply add RHML bonuses to the present bonuses on the raven, navy raven, typhoon and navy typhoon in line with the present bonus. So 5% RHML RoF and 10% RHM velocity on the raven for example. Otherwise we'll get a weapon system without a platform.

Can CCP please confirm that they've remembered to create a platform for the weapon system? Thanks.


CCP already stated in the video that they were adding bonuses to certain hulls. I believe the Raven and Rattlesnake were mentioned.
Aglais
Ice-Storm
#4 - 2013-10-03 19:21:32 UTC
why do we need these
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-10-03 19:36:21 UTC
Aglais wrote:
why do we need these


Torps and even cruise aren't that great. A RHML thingy could be a good idea... or it could be hopeless. Depends on the stats, really. What?
dexter xio
Dead Game.
#6 - 2013-10-03 19:55:02 UTC
Aglais wrote:
why do we need these


As CCP said, Gunnery platforms have a much wider choice of weapon types whereas Missile's have less choice, hence why they're introducing a new missile group to give missile users a wider choice, which is great!

Dead Game.
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#7 - 2013-10-03 20:03:55 UTC
I'd think we can expect at least the Raven to include RHML in it's bonus, as that would follow the Caracal in the lineup. The Typhoon will likely pick up the bonus as well, as a continuation of the Bellicose.
X ATM092
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-10-03 21:34:13 UTC
Yeah, typhoon and the raven are the main two that would need it.
Harreeb Alls
God of Terrorr
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#9 - 2013-10-03 22:01:21 UTC
It would make me very happy if the Typhoon and navy Typhoon were bonused for the new missile system. FC's just don't want phoons in their fleet because of their poor dmg application, they view them as a liability. With rapid heavy's being bonused for these ships they will actually have damage they can apply, they may actually be worth undocking.

Great Idea +1
Gigan Amilupar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-10-03 22:31:27 UTC
Could I get a RHML bonus on my navy scorpion? Pretty Please? It would make my day.
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#11 - 2013-10-03 23:22:32 UTC
Once again Kwark makes a valid point.

+1

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Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#12 - 2013-10-03 23:25:03 UTC
Aren't all cruiser hulls that use missiles bonused for RLMLs? BCs were intentionally excluded to prevent RLML bonuses on BC hulls to avoid BCs that slaughter frigs.

But there's no "BC" above a BS, so it seems to me that every BS that's bonused for large missiles should get a RHML bonus.
X ATM092
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-10-04 05:59:09 UTC
Gigan Amilupar wrote:
Could I get a RHML bonus on my navy scorpion? Pretty Please? It would make my day.

Sounds reasonable enough, hopefully CCP will listen.
Sme Ematu
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-10-04 09:59:21 UTC
Like the idea. Raven and typhoon would be great with RHML!

CCP make it happen =)
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#15 - 2013-10-04 10:27:27 UTC
Chris Winter wrote:
Aren't all cruiser hulls that use missiles bonused for RLMLs? BCs were intentionally excluded to prevent RLML bonuses on BC hulls to avoid BCs that slaughter frigs.

But there's no "BC" above a BS, so it seems to me that every BS that's bonused for large missiles should get a RHML bonus.


If you haven't figured it out yet, the launchers you are referring to are "bonussed" already on any boat with a launcher slot that isn't a frigate.

And where did you get the info about those launchers?
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Lina Theist
Running out of Space
ExoGenesis Consortium
#16 - 2013-10-04 12:05:07 UTC
RHML has same stats as pre-nerf HMLs. Calling it now
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-10-04 12:12:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Gypsio III
Lina Theist wrote:
RHML has same stats as pre-nerf HMLs. Calling it now


Pre-nerf HMLs are exactly the same as present-day HMLs, so this seems unlikely.

(The nerf was to heavy missiles, not their launchers P )
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-10-04 13:00:55 UTC
I'm calling it that they launch heavy missiles, but with a 20% lower cycle time (so 25% higher real ROF, not CCP ROF)

I'm also calling BS... unless they add equivalent gun forms to turrets (how about those twin 250mm rails actually behave like 250mm rails, but with a higher ROF, same for dual 150mms, and the same for other weapon systems - lasers, projectiles, etc)