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The Theology Council is a Den of Indecency and Treason—An answer to Ms Gesakaarin

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Morijah d'Hanguest
Ishtirak d'Hanguest
#61 - 2013-10-03 08:54:34 UTC
In the Name of the Lord


Ms Hanaya,

thank you for your question. Her Grace has asked me to provide you with a copy of “Elementary Civic Education for Boys and Girls” written by Catiz Akurani, where you will find that the terms Amarr and Khanid are not mutually exclusive.

An Amarrian can be Khanid, and a Khanid can be Amarrian, although both conditions are bound to certain preconditions, which are legally defined by being listed in the Book of Records. Thus being Amarrian, as defined by religious, legal, and cultural terms, does not equate being a True Amarrian, as defined by racial terms, which a Khanid, of course, cannot be. Ms Akurani gives a very good and understandable overview for this matters.

As a result of this the duchess does not “appear to be a Khanid woman who is claiming to be Amarrian”, she certainly is both. (Unless, of course, you were implying with your statement that you see the Khanid purely as a racial group.) The second part of your statement refers to the Kingdom and the Empire, wherein Amarrian equates Imperial, while Khanid equates Royal. I hope the matters in question are now understandable.

Yours sincerely,
Morijah d’Hanguest
CEO of Ishtirak d’Hanguest
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#62 - 2013-10-03 17:14:20 UTC
Morijah d'Hanguest wrote:
In the Name of the Lord


Ms Hanaya,

thank you for your question. Her Grace has asked me to provide you with a copy of “Elementary Civic Education for Boys and Girls” written by Catiz Akurani, where you will find that the terms Amarr and Khanid are not mutually exclusive.

An Amarrian can be Khanid, and a Khanid can be Amarrian, although both conditions are bound to certain preconditions, which are legally defined by being listed in the Book of Records. Thus being Amarrian, as defined by religious, legal, and cultural terms, does not equate being a True Amarrian, as defined by racial terms, which a Khanid, of course, cannot be. Ms Akurani gives a very good and understandable overview for this matters.

As a result of this the duchess does not “appear to be a Khanid woman who is claiming to be Amarrian”, she certainly is both. (Unless, of course, you were implying with your statement that you see the Khanid purely as a racial group.) The second part of your statement refers to the Kingdom and the Empire, wherein Amarrian equates Imperial, while Khanid equates Royal. I hope the matters in question are now understandable.

Yours sincerely,
Morijah d’Hanguest
CEO of Ishtirak d’Hanguest


I would have thought that a lawyer would understand the difference between Imperial and imperial and also between Royal and royal.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Morijah d'Hanguest
Ishtirak d'Hanguest
#63 - 2013-10-03 18:16:40 UTC
In the Name of the Lord


Admiral Blake,

it pleases the duchess and me to see you so snaky and irritated that you are taking this discussion to the spelling level.

Yours sincerely,
Morijah d’Hanguest
CEO of Ishtirak d’Hanguest
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#64 - 2013-10-03 18:43:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
As a lawyer you should understand that correct capitalisation aids precision.

For example, it allows one to tell the difference between the Imperial household and an imperial household.

Your description of your sister as Royal Khanid nobility implies one of three things...

1. You were deliberately misleading people to make them think that you are both related to Khanid II (despite belonging to a different bloodline).

2. You are a rubbish lawyer that does not understand the importance of precision.

3. You were lying when you said that you are a lawyer.

So which is it?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Morijah d'Hanguest
Ishtirak d'Hanguest
#65 - 2013-10-03 19:22:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Morijah d'Hanguest
In the Name of the Lord


Admiral Blake,

let me say it frank this time. As a lawyer yourself you should understand to eschew unethical behaviour like “cherry picking”, i. e. a quoting out of context in a selective manner that suits your argumentation while omitting the facts that do not. So far you have not even presented circumstantial evidence or arguments against the duchess, and your refutation of her claims and statements lacks any scriptural, legal or logical basis.

Instead of waisting our time with your biased sophistry and with corrupting the innocent, you could, for example, answer to the latest correspondence you have received from us or reply to the questions the duchess has asked you. May I also remind you that not all languages of New Eden are translated in the same quality and that the tongue that our house speaks for generations is not the imperial standard language. To base your argument on the difference of an “r” and an “R” is shameless hypocrisy at its best—but is suits you.

Yours sincerely,
Morijah d’Hanguest
CEO of Ishtirak d’Hanguest
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#66 - 2013-10-03 19:31:24 UTC
I too am seeing grammatical translation issues. Considering we are 'speaking' through copious amounts of technology, rather than face to face, such translation issues are to be expected from time to time. A multitude of equipment and network failures along the pathway could be causing these issues, the least likely of which is her own speech.

It would do well for Admiral Blake were he to ignore these grammar and spelling issues likely caused by equipment failure and focus on the matter at hand instead.

Katrina Oniseki

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2013-10-03 19:34:01 UTC
Failure to maintain reasonable equipment standards is still a failing.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#68 - 2013-10-03 19:46:59 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Failure to maintain reasonable equipment standards is still a failing.


It could be a failure anywhere along the pathway, Ixiris. That means it could just as easily be a network issue at a routing station somewhere in the Kingdom, completely unrelated to Morijah d'Hanguest. With greater system complexity comes greater possible points of failure. The sheer amount of translation errors we experience on a daily basis, colloquially known as "typos" or "mischats", should tip you off to how common this is.

The fact remains that nitpicking a few issues like these instead of the actual argument being presented is well below the esteem of anyone posting in this thread. We're all better than that.

Katrina Oniseki

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#69 - 2013-10-03 19:50:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Morijah d'Hanguest wrote:
In the Name of the Lord


Admiral Blake,

let me see it frank this time. As a lawyer yourself you should understand to eschew unethical behaviour like “cherry picking”, i. e. a quoting out of context in a selective manner that suits your argumentation while omitting the facts that do not. So far you have not even presented circumstantial evidence or arguments against the duchess, and your refutation of her claims and statements lacks any scriptural, legal or logical basis.

Instead of waisting our time with your biased sophistry and with corrupting the innocent, you could, for example, answer to the latest correspondence you have received from us or reply to the questions the duchess has asked you. May I also remind you that not all languages of New Eden are translated in the same quality and that the tongue that our house speaks for generations is not the imperial standard language. To base your argument on the difference of an “r” and an “R” is shameless hypocrisy at its best—but is suits you.

Yours sincerely,
Morijah d’Hanguest
CEO of Ishtirak d’Hanguest


You want evidence to back up my claims?

Well let's start with the allegation that your sister willfully placed a bounty on a member of an allied corporation shall we?

Here's her confession
.

Now the claim that your sister "couldn't even have (her) way with one of the least-picky women of easy pleasure in the cluster..."

Here is all the evidence we need

As for the assertion that your sister took part in the production of holoreels of an adult nature, here is her admission not only of doing just that but also of lying about it

Now I ask the good people of the Intergalactic Summit: is such a person qualified to pass judgement on the morality of others? Are they qualified to decide whether or not a part of the apparatus of the Amarr Empire has legitimacy?

Tell me Morijah, exactly what is it that makes you think that your sister has the right to question the legitimacy not only of the Theology Council but also of the Privy Council and the Empress herself?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Morijah d'Hanguest
Ishtirak d'Hanguest
#70 - 2013-10-03 22:25:23 UTC
In the Name of the Lord


Admiral Blake,

we find the moral authority of the duchess by no means lesser than that of a bald admiral who seems to be obsessed with that young lady’s troublesome past, meticulously collecting and exhibiting it. We are also unhappy to see that you reverted to an ad personam strategy, instead of arguing against your opponent’s argument.

Furthermore, rather than welcoming our accommodating offer of arbitration through a third and respected party, you decided to carry forward your vilification of a member of Khanid nobility. Wars have been started for less.

(Also please don’t call me Morijah. Thank you very much.)

Yours sincerely,
Morijah d’Hanguest
CEO of Ishtirak d’Hanguest
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#71 - 2013-10-04 03:02:49 UTC
So, you are critiquing Admiral Blake having done a background check on someone who has called the Theology Council treasonous?

Nobility shows itself through Right Action. It is a great birthright and a great responsibility. Applying Gallente logic concepts like "ad personam" to this discussion only digs the hole your family is in deeper. Making a spectacle of oneself is an action guided by Molok, not by God. Making public accusations against the Theology Council and Scriptures are also actions guided by Molok. Such a person has no ability to be correct, for she is guided by evil forces and has betrayed Amarr. To separate the person and their status with God from the argument they are making is a classic example of the cancer of allowing Gallente concepts to enter into discussions of Amarr.

Amarrian nobility have a massive responsibility to be paragons of prudence and Godly behavior. We are blessed with authority due to the actions of our ancestors, which means that we are also burdened with equal responsibility to live up to that authority. A noble who behaves in the manner we are seeing here and who espouses heretical beliefs is a betrayal of those ancestors and does not deserve to be treated with any honor. Said noble has abdicated the moral right to the authority she wields.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#72 - 2013-10-04 06:49:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Morijah d'Hanguest wrote:
In the Name of the Lord


Admiral Blake,

we find the moral authority of the duchess by no means lesser than that of a bald admiral who seems to be obsessed with that young lady’s troublesome past, meticulously collecting and exhibiting it. We are also unhappy to see that you reverted to an ad personam strategy, instead of arguing against your opponent’s argument.

Furthermore, rather than welcoming our accommodating offer of arbitration through a third and respected party, you decided to carry forward your vilification of a member of Khanid nobility. Wars have been started for less.

(Also please don’t call me Morijah. Thank you very much.)

Yours sincerely,
Morijah d’Hanguest
CEO of Ishtirak d’Hanguest


You accuse me of adopting an ad personam strategy?

I remind you you that it was your sister who has recently amongst other things claimed that I am a sissy. It was also your sister who placed a bounty on my head when she started to lose the argument. Surely paying bounty hunters to have someone bumped off is the ultimate ad personam attack? And what does my hair or lack thereof have to do with all of this?

But anyway, I'm not so much claiming that I have more moral authority than your sister as much as I am claiming that the Theology Council has more moral authority than both of us.

That's one reason why arbitration would be meaningless. As I said in my reply to you all that is needed for this dispute to be ended is for everyone to agree to respect the authority of the leaderships of both the Kingdom and the Empire. Is that really too much to ask for?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2013-10-04 08:01:39 UTC
Morijah d'Hanguest wrote:
we find the moral authority of the duchess by no means lesser than that of a bald admiral

Morijah d'Hanguest wrote:
bald admiral

The hell does that have to do with anything?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#74 - 2013-10-04 20:54:17 UTC
Very well,

since you seem to believe that certain claims and titles show themselves through right action, should my sister also take the liberty not to address you as admiral? Your arguments are solely based on inconsistencies and fallacies: It is the Empress who decides if the Theology Council is legitimate—yet it is “us” who decide if my claims are legitimate and morally justified, although my name, titles and the history of my house are listed in the Book of Records, which, you seem to have forgotten, is part of the scriptures. And coming back to the Empress: Maybe Jamyl Sarum did never experience a leaked adult holo, yet didn’t she do something far more blasphemous when she abandoned the doctrine of the sacred flesh? Was she guided by Molok too? Would such a person not loose the ability to be corrected, for she is guided by evil forces and has betrayed Amarr? Wouldn’t said Empress abdicate the moral right to the authority she wields?

Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
So, you are critiquing Admiral Blake having done a background check on someone who has called the Theology Council treasonous?
I think my sister was not critiquing him, I believe she was politely implying that she believes he is a corrupted deviant obsessed with pornography. She is always so polite though!

Rodj Blake wrote:
As I said in my reply to you all that is needed for this dispute to be ended is for everyone to agree to respect the authority of the leaderships of both the Kingdom and the Empire. Is that really too much to ask for?
Apparently so!

Odelya
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#75 - 2013-10-04 21:02:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
Very well,

since you seem to believe that certain claims and titles show themselves through right action, should my sister also take the liberty not to address you as admiral?


I don't insist people call me Admiral, especially when they're outside my chain of command. When they do, it's through their own choice.

I'm a humble man at heart, but it seems that my past adventures have earned me a certain amount of respect and so many people feel the need to honour me.


Quote:
Maybe Jamyl Sarum did never experience a leaked adult holo, yet didn’t she do something far more blasphemous when she abandoned the doctrine of the sacred flesh? Was she guided by Molok too? Would such a person not loose the ability to be corrected, for she is guided by evil forces and has betrayed Amarr? Wouldn’t said Empress abdicate the moral right to the authority she wields?


And yet you fight for this woman whose purity you question.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#76 - 2013-10-04 21:13:21 UTC
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
And coming back to the Empress: Maybe Jamyl Sarum did never experience a leaked adult holo, yet didn’t she do something far more blasphemous when she abandoned the doctrine of the sacred flesh?


No, because she didn't abandon the doctrine of sacred flesh.
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#77 - 2013-10-04 21:57:59 UTC
Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
And coming back to the Empress: Maybe Jamyl Sarum did never experience a leaked adult holo, yet didn’t she do something far more blasphemous when she abandoned the doctrine of the sacred flesh?


No, because she didn't abandon the doctrine of sacred flesh.
There are none so blind as those who will not see!

Jamly is an abomination, a blasphemous insult to the long traditions of our Holy Amarr Empire, even regenerated an Emperor could live perhaps 500 years, and then die, she is a wholly cloned capsuleer! As foolish followers like you will one day see for themselves when they open their eyes.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "

ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#78 - 2013-10-05 00:16:50 UTC
An oddly corrupted message was removed from this com-stream.

Please remember to ensure that you're not suffering the delusion of being a normal human before using GalNet.

Thank you!

[b]ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]

Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#79 - 2013-10-05 01:27:20 UTC
I am done with this discussion, Heretic. When you declare the Empress a blasphemer you declare yourself beyond salvation.

You are a disgrace to your heritage. You are not Amarr, you are fallen. A failure. A pathetic disappointment of the vision of God. Your actions are a blight on the Amarrian institution of nobility and an insult to everyone who carries the responsibilities and titles of a Holder.

Your noble ancestors would be appalled to see what their descendant has wrought.

You will burn in eternal damnation.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family

Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#80 - 2013-10-05 06:33:22 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
And yet you fight for this woman whose purity you question.
I am not fighting for the impure. I am fighting for Eternal Amarr! I do so as proud legionnaire with and for my brothers-in-arms, regardless of their nationality, race, or religion, for we are a sworn family bound by a sacred mission. I am proud to protect the ordinary men and women of the cluster from the threat of invasion and I am eager to reclaim what was lost. Call me heretic if it pleases you, close your eyes and deny reality. You will open it when we meet again for God is with me. For the King and Eternal Amarr!