Player Features and Ideas Discussion

But...but if non-EVE players started playing the game, then wouldn't they, by definition, actually be EVE players?

Mr Epeen

[quote=Jered Hakaaros]Greetings people! Im sure many of you, like me, tried to get friends into this game and often failed miserably. I made the experience that it is neither the steep learning curve nor the harsh survivalist-style gameplay this game is known for. No, usually it comes down to two questions, and then its over for most potential newcomers:

1) Can I walk in stations and interact with other players?
2) Can I pilot my ship directly?

After people discover that the answer to those is "no", its over, they either quit or dont try it in the first place, which brings a tear to my eye every time. Even I only tried it because a friend practically threatened me to try this game. Now we all know that piloting the ship directly is simply not technically possible if you want a single-shard universe with massive battles. On the contrary, after getting used to Eve I even complain about other twitch-based space game, because Eve lets me position my ship exactly where I want it. Different method, same or better result.

Which leaves Walk in Stations. Yeah, there will probably be a lot "Posting in another WiS thread" and thats fine. But thats also how it should be! Work on WiS exist, as far as we know, for a better five years, yet has never been implemented. The games growth would rise significantly, and, not to forget, this is the key feature to finally improve on that dreadful female-player rating, which would open Eve up to a whole new crowd of players.

In the end that is no real news, but all people in favor have to stay vocal about this and keep getting heard on a regular basis, otherwise we end up with even more rebalancing or rather underwhelming content. I love this game and want to get people into it, but Eve is just making this task damn hard for all the wrong reasons.[/quote


Go diaf, or at the very least get out of eve for good, because you clearly don't get it. Scrubs like you are potentially ruining our game by constantly posting bullshit about wis, potentially causing some CCP dev to think people actually care about that garbage. Hopefully CCP have not forgotten about the summer of rage already.

I have no idea why some people always have to be so damn offensive. Clearly you havent ever heard of player interaction, or human interaction in general. What gives you the right for such name-calling here?

And your only argument is wrong too. The "summer of rage" had absolutely nothing to do with implementing WiS, on the contrary, it had more to to with not implementing it after teasing players with it for so long, paired with other great promises that werent delivered and a terrible RMT campaign. Those mistakes were made, the players forgave and the game was stronger than ever not long afterwards.

You're making enormous and likely incorrect statements.

Why do you think its likely WIS would have any extra load on Jita. The load comes from all the data that has to be sent to each client when you load into Jita. If everyone is in captains quarters when you jump in or everyone is in hanger the server still sends the same data.

You're also making a weird assumption that you could only load one character at a time. I can load four at the same time on my old spare crappy PC while they're all in captains quarters. On my good PCs I can run 10 EvE clients at once.

As for who's going to pay for new servers why would they need new servers? The WIS is part of the client, I don't see why the server that handles everything we do currently in Jita like browse market, spam local, spin our ships or whatever wouldn't be able to handle those exact same tasks while were walking in stations.

Same data, just different on the client side.

You love the new jump animations right

there is no old system

I didn't play eve for while because of WiS. Then i found out you can turn it off. Now i play.

God if i wanted to play dress up, walk around i would play a dress up walk around MMO (probably has ponies in it too). If WiS was ever made mandatory i would stop playing that very day.

I love the idea of getting a overhead projector and projecting Eve onto the wall in my room. Seriously this is the type of game that makes me want to buy a dedicated gaming computer, just so I can get all those graphics streaming fast on my wall. Surround sound would be perfect too. I could sit in my room like I'm flying a spaceship and that would just feel great.

Again, a lot of over-exaggeration here; either that or you truly do not understand what WIS would be. "A shift in the paradigm?" Hardly. As long as the skill mechanics are the same, the ship mechanics are the same, and all the activities in space we know and love are the same, then EVE will still be a spaceship game; having the ability to move about in stations and interact with other players does not change that.

Whenever I see a game heading for a disaster similar to what happened to SWG, I am the first to speak out about it. WIS does not even come close to the NGE. The NGE gutted an entire skil-tree based system of over 30 professions and replaced it with nine linear WoW-like classes. Combat was altered from a skill-based system which allowed players of vastly different experience to work together or compete, to a level based system that separated everyone out to play in different areas. The character-skill based targetting and combat mechanics were swapped for a twitch-based FPS-like system, which proved so laggy that many players found it impossible to hit anything. After the NGE, SWG was not even recognizable as the same game.

It is ridiculous to claim that WIS is anything near the level of what happened to SWG. WIS will not remove spaceship PVP; it will not change mining, missioning, ratting, hauling, ganking, or any of the space-bound activities. It will not change the way your ship flies, the way you target objects in space, the way your weapons fire, or the way your modules activate. It will not change the way your skills affect any of this. If WIS were implemented tomorrow in full, the fundamental core of the spaceship game would remain the same.

I first came to this game about eight or ninge years ago. Do you know what feature people have been asking for ever since then? Having a full avatar they can actually do something with, instead of just the portraits we had back then. Incarna fell disappointingly short of what people were looking for, but make no mistake, there was a huge portion of the playerbase that was looking forward to it. The furor over Incarna and WIS was not that it was done at all, but rather that it failed to deliver as promised.

Before EVE, I played another spaceship game: Earth and Beyond. Guess what? It had WIS, and it was still a spaceship game. The game could have been written such that you never left your ship; everything handled as your avatar could have been done through a spreadsheet interface like in EVE. But being able to leave your ship, to walk around and interact with other players and NPCs, added another dimension to the game and gave it a bit of immersion and atmosphere. At the very least, it didn't take anything away or detract from the spaceships in the game.

There is no reason to think that WIS for EVE would do anything but enhance the game for some, and be easily ignored by those who absolutely don't want to deal with it. EVE would not be losing any of its core gameplay for it, and claiming otherwise is just fear mongering. Comparing it to the NGE is the worst kind of hyperbole, and it does a disservice to players by lessening the impact of the NGE as a comparison to any truly drastic changes. If people like you scream "NGE" at any minor change, pretty soon the phrase becomes meaningless, and our experience with SWG and the lessons that came from it are wasted.

Your face!

Seriously, it looks like you have an apple on your head.

Good points. Let's just scrap the whole thing and turn it into a completely different game.

This is the very definition of "**** that doesn't matter".

It doesn't matter that your friends want this to be a walking-in-stations + dogfighting sim. That's not what the game is. It's not going to be that game.

I mean, if we're giving credence to the desires of people who don't even play the game, why even stop there?

What if they want it to have swords and unicorns and and a Guitar Hero style minigame, too?