EVE General Discussion

The problem with EvE is that if you want to play it WELL it's a long, dedicated term commitment.

PvE is garbage, industry and trading are good but repetitive or easily automated so they don't "fill" the available playtime.
So what's left is PvP and meta-gameing. In EvE PVP is more succesful when done in group, expecially dedicating time to become known, enter a good circle of people and so on. Meta gaming is very hard to get into, I feel fortunate to just having taken 2 years before I could seriously handle 3rd party tens of billions just on my word.

But even those who PvP or meta game or trade could want to have something to do in those days when they have little time, or after an hard day. Something "light but fun", a bit less serious than the "hop on a 600M ship after an hard day and perform bad and lose it".

So I also started doing some PvE in other MMOs, just to relax and will definitely try SC. While still loving EvE, but I can't stand stuff like mining or missioning for when I can't play well or a lot.

A problem for CCP is, that there's a LOT of current EvE playerbase who exactly fit a potential SC profile.

I.e. I love to play all of a game's aspects. Personally speaking I greatly miss dogfight space games a la X-Wing. I greatly miss some of Entropia Universe features that were so much less boring than EvE (i.e. mining). I'd really love to also play space trader with something not as stupid "PLEASE POP ME NAO!" as a Badger. I'd love to not have Concord around, what are they even doing in a PvP game to begin with? If a guy attacks me I want to fight back, not get Concorded for defending myself or similar crap.
I also loved flight sims, some had awesome radars and sensors simulations, EvE has that spamtastic, tunnel carpal inducing bland scanner. Plus they removed all the joy of exploration by dumbing it down so much.

Like me there are many, whose "dream" is not to be the next All Powerful Space Emperor but just to hop in a ship and maybe do a mission, then take a break and do some pew pew vs humans, then maybe bring stuff to a planet who offers money to those ferrying supplies or defending them from attackers.

All things that more or less are possible in EvE but they are too heavy weight, too taxing on people with family who come home after a long PvP day vs the stupidass employees or boss.

Many hi seccers seem right that, people who really risk to find in SC things that EvE shows but are unobtainable by them within their schedules. I would not be surprised seeing exactly high sec taking the hardest hit at SC release.

Now, some will rejoyce at this notion but they forget that EvE has a Ying and a Yang, both are complimentary, sometimes opponents but in the end each half needs the other to do well. Even just as fresh money for CCP to keep improving EvE.

Posting in another "Eve is dying" thread for posterity.

Everyone is in Osmon grinding SoE LP for the new ships.

Expensive faction ships all over the place, so a few naughty folk might have some fun in the system.

You know some of us have a life and family we "have" to spend time with or we get you know in trouble. Training my son to play eve so I can has a mining alt that all I have to pay him for doing it is treddy grams and tickles.

Hmm. did you roll a new alt just to complain that no one is falling for your gatecamps? Just a tip for the future, if youre going to play the noob, act and talk like a noob, not like someone who tired of nullified T3s escaping your bubbles...which im sure were poorly placed anyways.

No it wasn't the average 4 years ago - that's when I started. It grew actual player-base for a couple years (vs just alts).

Yes we cleared 60k - sometime in 2011 we cleared 61k online at the same time. It was announced we'd set a record.

Number of accounts is not number of players. 2009 or early 2010 is when we cleared 300k accounts (there was big announcement when that happened - a goal to exceed Icelands population at that time by CCP and they were very pleased when it happened.)

Now we supposedly have over 500k accounts in the game but that isn't people, just accounts - Alts -R- Us style growth but for now we do get enough new folks in to keep the actual player population fairly stable.

As for the OP's stuff:
I haven't seen what he's talking about. It must be some backwater spot. The number online in the systems I've seen hasn't changed much.

There's a difference between static and stagnant. The game keeps changing but EVE is a vice themed game that will draw a smaller audience than a lot of other games out there. Change isn't bad but if it changes too much; It'll lose interest to many who will need to relearn it but CCP has done a decent job of avoiding that.

When did he make the graphs go from left to right?

I always enjoyed the posts about the obvious decline in population whenever the graphs were presented.

Either way, I've noticed fewer players online at any given time lately, but that happens every now and again. No big deal.

Edit:

From what I've seen of SC, I'm not concerned for EVE's health in that regard.

Oh you buggar I just gave that game up !

I am somewhat concerned. It will NOT attract the well established EvE players or those in a strong community (expecially a PvP alliance). But the pre-pre alpha is gorgeous and caters exactly to the portion of playerbase that keeps getting beaten and flogged every year more. And spat in face and derided.

They are the hated "lol hi seccer parasites", "lol miners you should all die", "crud missioneer grinders you ruin economy, NERF!" guys.
But it's also the new, disappointed "exploreration was my style of living" guys or the "how boring, another expansion consisting of flipped values in a database guys.

Most of those are are meek guys who will be naturally attracted by a game with so many unexplored planets, an industry that has not been grinded for a decade and thus makes it hard for newbies to "enter the niche" and compete.

Actually, if you browse their forums, it's choking full of former EvE players who ask the developers to not create an EvE copy over there so yes, it attracts a number of EvE players.

It's early to know if we have to be concerned of not, but CCP have definitely to step up their standards. This time EvE is not risking players because" XYZ WoW clone's out " but a portion of its playerbase are enticed away by a direct competitor, a spaceships themed one and one created not by buffoons but by the guy who created Freelancer and Wing Commander.

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