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Paying Concord to Gank Scammer

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My Dream
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-10-03 15:36:10 UTC  |  Edited by: My Dream
we know CCP is very reluctant to interfere in this glorious sandbox we have here through GM action action so why dont they put in a system where we can report the scam to concord for a modest fee

Concord would seek out and shoot the offenders and confiscate the scammed isk as evidence (podding would be preffered)
this way there would be in game roleplayey consquences to scamming instead of it being totally risk free as it is

it would not break the taboo of non inteferance with the sandbox but would enable payback in a game way
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#2 - 2013-10-03 15:48:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jint Hikaru
How does a 2004 character not understand how bad this idea is????

Also, its a sandbox, hire a merc!

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Elliavir
Miskatonic Mercantile
#3 - 2013-10-03 15:48:48 UTC
My Dream wrote:
we know CCP is very reluctant to interfere in this glorious sandbox we have here through GM action action so why dont they put in a system where we can report the scam to concord for a modest fee

Concord would seek out and shoot the offenders and confiscate the scammed isk as evidence (podding would be preffered)
this way there would be in game roleplayey consquences to scamming instead of it being totally risk free as it is

it would not break the taboo of non inteferance with the sandbox but would enable payback in a game way


You can already put a bounty on anyone - put enough on them and they become worth ganking even in high-sec with CONCORD response.

You can also gank them yourself - and view the ship you will lose if you do it in high-sec as the fee you pay to express your opinion on their business dealings.

The fundamental problem is that there is no way for CONCORD to identify a 'real scam' vs. a 'crappy but legit deal' vs. a 'guy falsely claiming scam to grief someone'. So really what this would be if implemented is a way to place bounty on someone that causes the NPCs to also attack them. And that seems gamebreaking to me.

Obviously none of this matters if the scammers stay in station. Which they can easily do, and conduct all their legit business and flying-around business on an alt.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-10-03 15:49:39 UTC
There should be a system to report people who post terrible suggestions on the forums to CONCORD.
My Dream
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-10-03 15:52:03 UTC
Elliavir wrote:
My Dream wrote:
we know CCP is very reluctant to interfere in this glorious sandbox we have here through GM action action so why dont they put in a system where we can report the scam to concord for a modest fee

Concord would seek out and shoot the offenders and confiscate the scammed isk as evidence (podding would be preffered)
this way there would be in game roleplayey consquences to scamming instead of it being totally risk free as it is

it would not break the taboo of non inteferance with the sandbox but would enable payback in a game way


You can already put a bounty on anyone - put enough on them and they become worth ganking even in high-sec with CONCORD response.

You can also gank them yourself - and view the ship you will lose if you do it in high-sec as the fee you pay to express your opinion on their business dealings.

The fundamental problem is that there is no way for CONCORD to identify a 'real scam' vs. a 'crappy but legit deal' vs. a 'guy falsely claiming scam to grief someone'. So really what this would be if implemented is a way to place bounty on someone that causes the NPCs to also attack them. And that seems gamebreaking to me.

Obviously none of this matters if the scammers stay in station. Which they can easily do, and conduct all their legit business and flying-around business on an alt.


repeated reports would get flagged a simple api check with ccp tools would validate a scam and then its open season
im not suggesting a single report from one grudgy would trigger it
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-10-03 15:55:49 UTC
My Dream wrote:
we know CCP is very reluctant to interfere in this glorious sandbox we have here through GM action action so why dont they put in a system where we can report the scam to concord for a modest fee

Concord would seek out and shoot the offenders and confiscate the scammed isk as evidence (podding would be preffered)
this way there would be in game roleplayey consquences to scamming instead of it being totally risk free as it is

it would not break the taboo of non inteferance with the sandbox but would enable payback in a game way



You can already do this by using the bounty system and pay concord so they close their eyes or look on the other side when the one claiming the bounty puts the misery on them.

The main issue you have, which is not a small one in this game is those characters mostly are 50K sp characters or slightly more, often bots, and NEVER undock.

But as you see it's another issue.

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My Dream
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-10-03 15:58:57 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
My Dream wrote:
we know CCP is very reluctant to interfere in this glorious sandbox we have here through GM action action so why dont they put in a system where we can report the scam to concord for a modest fee

Concord would seek out and shoot the offenders and confiscate the scammed isk as evidence (podding would be preffered)
this way there would be in game roleplayey consquences to scamming instead of it being totally risk free as it is

it would not break the taboo of non inteferance with the sandbox but would enable payback in a game way



You can already do this by using the bounty system and pay concord so they close their eyes or look on the other side when the one claiming the bounty puts the misery on them.

The main issue you have, which is not a small one in this game is those characters mostly are 50K sp characters or slightly more, often bots, and NEVER undock.

But as you see it's another issue.


API would validate which character the isk went to from the scam alt thats where the confiscation bit kicks in
Victor Dathar
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#8 - 2013-10-03 16:01:07 UTC
I wish I could report your posting to Concord.

^^^ lol that post is so bad you should get back 2 GBS m8 o7

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My Dream
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-10-03 16:04:11 UTC
Victor Dathar wrote:
I wish I could report your posting to Concord.



come up with a better idea to deal with scamming . nothing should be risk free in eve

listening ..............
Aurilen Baxtab
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-10-03 16:05:20 UTC
A word about bounties - put a high enough bounty on someone and they will log in on an alt account and pod themselves to get the reward. Pirate
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-10-03 16:06:08 UTC
Space police force named after grapes, avenge me!
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#12 - 2013-10-03 16:08:29 UTC
My Dream wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
My Dream wrote:
we know CCP is very reluctant to interfere in this glorious sandbox we have here through GM action action so why dont they put in a system where we can report the scam to concord for a modest fee

Concord would seek out and shoot the offenders and confiscate the scammed isk as evidence (podding would be preffered)
this way there would be in game roleplayey consquences to scamming instead of it being totally risk free as it is

it would not break the taboo of non inteferance with the sandbox but would enable payback in a game way



You can already do this by using the bounty system and pay concord so they close their eyes or look on the other side when the one claiming the bounty puts the misery on them.

The main issue you have, which is not a small one in this game is those characters mostly are 50K sp characters or slightly more, often bots, and NEVER undock.

But as you see it's another issue.


API would validate which character the isk went to from the scam alt thats where the confiscation bit kicks in

Nope, that's a terrible idea. Scam victims usually have noone to blame but themselves, because the scam relies on the victim being greedy, and often as not stupid as well. I've been there myself, best part of a billion gone on a margin trading scam, because I was greedy.

Trawling through the database to find out where isk has gone is probably quite labour intensive and time consuming, and as such should be reserved for going after people who are breaking the EULA.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#13 - 2013-10-03 16:08:55 UTC
How about you not fall for scams?
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#14 - 2013-10-03 16:09:37 UTC
Jint Hikaru wrote:
How does a 2004 character not understand how bad this idea is????


What is the Character Bazaar for 200 Alex.

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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
My Dream
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-10-03 16:10:45 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
How about you not fall for scams?



so you think scamming should be the only risk free money maker in eve =p
My Dream
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-10-03 16:12:31 UTC
still waiting for a better idea all i see is unhappy mains of scam alts
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#17 - 2013-10-03 16:18:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
My Dream wrote:
still waiting for a better idea all i see is unhappy mains of scam alts

How much did you lose?
All I'm seeing is an unhappy scam victim, who can't take responsibility for being greedy.

Also Features and Ideas would be a better place to have posted, you tend to get a better class of ridicule in there.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#18 - 2013-10-03 16:20:14 UTC
Aurilen Baxtab wrote:
A word about bounties - put a high enough bounty on someone and they will log in on an alt account and pod themselves to get the reward. Pirate



well, 20% of the value of their loss, anyway.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#19 - 2013-10-03 16:21:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
My Dream wrote:
still waiting for a better idea all i see is unhappy mains of scam alts

How much did you lose?
All I'm seeing is an unhappy scam victim, who can't take responsibility for being greedy.



I'm guessing OP fell victim to the margin trading scam, so many players are doing it now. It's like an IQ test for working in trade hubs.

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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#20 - 2013-10-03 16:21:22 UTC
My Dream wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
How about you not fall for scams?



so you think scamming should be the only risk free money maker in eve =p


It's hardly risk free. It takes time and isk to cultivate scams. They don't always work out.

As it is, the point remains: stop being ignorant, and educate yourself about scams. Stop falling for them, and you will no longer care who sits all day, docked up and scamming.

Alternatively, there are a vast number of medicated ointments designed to ease mild discomfort in the perianal area.
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