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Shoot the medical, fitting and repair services, tends to get a reaction, but I cannot see anything similar that one can do to a cloaky AFK camper, actually the new personal depots, we can go shoot those, yipeeeee!!!!!!

Shooting services with a Hac or recon or small gang of AF's, I am not sure that will get any one excited to undock. Lets be some what reasonable to what this is all about.

The supposed AFK cloaker (no one really knows if they are or not, none of your business any way, annoys the OP to the point where he wants to touch the bad guy somehow and interact with him.

Again, I am talking directly to the point, a very narrow point here as to his basic want. The ability to interact with the cloaker. Nothing more than that.

Shooting POCO and or shooting services DOES NOT adress the issue of interacting with possibly AFK windowlickers in the station.

He is wanting to actually be able to hunt down the baddie and kill him, or at least die trying. Shooting station services is NOT interacting with the AFK dude in the Station directly...now does it.

You are still missing it, he wants to actively interact with the cloaker, not hit the bat phone. He wants to actively hunt him down and interact with the target, period.

And as far as pining peeps...it only is broadcasted when there is an actuall "Threat". A small gang is not a threat. And it is not normally pinged on coms either. People just don't drop their game of GT5 or whatever they are playing for a small group shooting services.

They wait until they are gone and undock pospreys.

Oh yes they do,someone thinks I can get a kill and starts organising, I have seen it happen.

Multiple times actually in so called carebear alliances, and those leet PvP alliances are sure to be better at it!

EDIT: So what I proved here is that its still possible to interact with people AFK or docked in stations using the mechanism of shooting station services, I can see that it had an impact because something about band camp, what ever that means was thrown in my direction.

Also if anyone does anything to change local, then all that data given to DOTLAN and on the Eve map should also be reduced in scope and accuracy, perhaps removed entirely.

An AFK cloaky hunting mechanics would have two goals:

To gank people "afk".
To force pilots to leave the system so you can operate unhindered in perfect safety.

Are any of these goals good for the game? I think not!

He is talking about shooting someone in the face. the specific person in question, you know the boogey man everyone is afraid of.

And please stop talking about what happens in Null, you really do not have a clue.

And another thing, the cloaky camper is a balance. You can't shoot the cloaky just the same as you can shoot the dude in the station. You have no idea if both are afk or not..so guess what draw. It is balanced.

LOL so why are you talking about people in stations then, as compared to people in space.



Above is what you said, resorting to personal attacks makes no difference to this fact, the truth is that in your example you come in with a gang to fight and if they stay in station you have the option to impact them by shooting station services, that you do not do it is none of my concern, I am merely pointing out that there is a mechanic there to interact with them, which you do not have with a cloaky afk camper.

Next!

EDIT: I decided to look at your KB, and I find you were podded in Madirmilire, that makes me laugh, moving around with a pod in that pipe indicates that you don't have a clue, lol

1. I think its the difference between getting a ping or not on a cloaked ship, in this way you get the intel that they have a cyno, therefore pro but have to be special probes
2. In terms of 1. yes, but not for ships that do not have a cyno, as the issue to me is force projection, so only for the ships in 1.
3. I am wary of making that change to local due to the issue of force projection, that being said I have like many suggested that CCP create a new 0.0 without local and out of capital jump range of existing space, then see how that develops. The issue with the lack of local is that for solo players, people playing in low numbers TZ's like Aussies and those operating in NPC 0.0 it becomes even more difficult. Also because of this I would highly recommend removing all that data about NPC's killed and people in system, otherwise it becomes too easy to find people and too easy to catch them, leading to less people in 0.0. So against.
4. I am so so about it, maybe an hour or two. Pro, sort of

Other possibilities are to make it so D-scan does not work when cloaked, forcing them to de-cloak when active, or perhaps limit the range of the D-scan when cloaked.

The issue is that I actually like it as it is, perhaps the interceptor changes will change things so people will afk cloak less.

Jint I appreciate your point of view.

1. is a nerf to using a cyno - not the cloak.

2. Unless you have a really really pro scanner no it is not., the intention is to make it difficult to scan a cloaked ship but possible.

3. Dropping cloaked ships from local further increases the imbalance and removes any current means of protection. This would make a cloaked cyno ship an unreasonable amount of undetectable force projection and just the opposite of this argument.

4. CCP has macro detection software and accounts using this is against the EULA and would be banned.

Please keep in mind this argument is two fold, I am looking for more solutions or a better granularity of the ones presented.
Players should be active, Mechanics should support this.
there is not current mechanics for interaction with cloaked ships once established in system.