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Natasha Konovalova
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-10-02 15:26:04 UTC
I am trying to maximize ISK/hour ratting income to spend less time ratting.

Right now I am using two cruiser hulls with very stable 20+ mil ticks per cruiser, I can also do wide variety of anomalies with current setup as I am dealing pretty much full dps to anything within 70km radius.

My question is which two ships would be optimal to maximize earning potential? I am currently training one character to fly Vindicator with another character training into Thanatos. I am also not sure about weapon choice for Vindicator, because blasters would restrict me to certain anomalies with close range spawns. Blasters would make sense solo, but with Thanatos I was thinking about rail fit...

Any opinions about this?
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#2 - 2013-10-02 15:44:32 UTC
MWD/Blaster Vindicator pulls in the best ticks subcap ship wise but takes a good bit of piloting.

Sentry carriers can dish out 1600 dps but it takes carrier 5 and advanced drone interfacing 5. With racial carrier 4/adv drone interfacing 4 you are looking at around 1100 dps.

If you aren't using ISBoxer I'd go with 1 of your cruiser hulls doing its thing and manually pilot a vindicator on the other account.

Not today spaghetti.
Natasha Konovalova
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-10-02 16:01:53 UTC
Sexy Cakes wrote:
MWD/Blaster Vindicator pulls in the best ticks subcap ship wise but takes a good bit of piloting.

Sentry carriers can dish out 1600 dps but it takes carrier 5 and advanced drone interfacing 5. With racial carrier 4/adv drone interfacing 4 you are looking at around 1100 dps.

If you aren't using ISBoxer I'd go with 1 of your cruiser hulls doing its thing and manually pilot a vindicator on the other account.


This sounds like a plan, actually. I could use Blaster Vindicator with an extra flight of assisted Garde II from an Ishtar with perfect skills, while Ishtar pilot is getting carrier 5 and advanced drone interfacing 5.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-10-02 16:37:42 UTC
raven+raven?

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Natasha Konovalova
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-10-02 16:42:37 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
raven+raven?


Last time I tried to fit out Raven for max DPS the price tag went way up. If you fit it cheap it does crap dps, if you have money to burn - pirate faction BS is going to be better.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2013-10-02 17:30:47 UTC
Ishtars are always popular and very simple to multibox.

It is boring as only a drone (read afk) boat can be. But very effective. It can pull in the same 20m ticks per cruiser but you can run as many as you have accounts for at a time ;)
Natasha Konovalova
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-10-02 17:59:37 UTC
Froggy Storm wrote:
Ishtars are always popular and very simple to multibox.

It is boring as only a drone (read afk) boat can be. But very effective. It can pull in the same 20m ticks per cruiser but you can run as many as you have accounts for at a time ;)


Yes, but I want to come up with best two ship setup possible. Multi boxing two Vindicators with one monitor and without software that comes with subscription cost is not optimal. Vindicator and semi-afk support ship is probably the best combo. Semi-afk support is probably all drones on assist, such as Ishtar or Sentry Carrier.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-10-02 18:00:48 UTC
Natasha Konovalova wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
raven+raven?


Last time I tried to fit out Raven for max DPS the price tag went way up. If you fit it cheap it does crap dps, if you have money to burn - pirate faction BS is going to be better.

navy raven + navy raven?

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Natasha Konovalova
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-10-02 18:07:58 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
Natasha Konovalova wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
raven+raven?


Last time I tried to fit out Raven for max DPS the price tag went way up. If you fit it cheap it does crap dps, if you have money to burn - pirate faction BS is going to be better.

navy raven + navy raven?


Sounds feasible but I would love to get a real world perspective on this in ISK/hour, especially taking into account price of ammo (T2 or faction) that goes down range. Last time I checked T2 cruise missiles and T2 torps were not exactly plentiful around my favorite systems, and navy raven burns ammo like dry paper.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2013-10-03 01:08:54 UTC
Its going to be very unlikely you going to get better ticks than the 40mil you get now, 2 x 20mil, unless you have sanctums, then go sentry carrier and maybe blaster naga, the carrier can rep the naga. Naga gets almost the same same gun dps as a vindi but has no tank or drones.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#11 - 2013-10-03 01:17:21 UTC
Natasha Konovalova wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
raven+raven?


Last time I tried to fit out Raven for max DPS the price tag went way up. If you fit it cheap it does crap dps, if you have money to burn - pirate faction BS is going to be better.


I'm not sure how much tank is needed, but here's a cheap L4 Raven that will do 978 dps to anything in 60km or 888dps to 122km. The only non-T2 item is the DG XLSB which costs a mere 60mil. You also have a utility high and 40cpu leftover so you can stick anything you want in there.

[Raven, L4s New]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Signal Amplifier II

Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
[Empty High slot]

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I


Hobgoblin II x5
Warden II x2
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-10-03 07:32:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
nm

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Darling Hassasin
Parental Control
Didn't want that Sov anyway.
#13 - 2013-10-03 14:32:12 UTC
TFI & TFI with 2xcap links XL booster on each perma, full damage mod lows, totals 2800 dps or thereabouts. You would need to micromange a fair bit.

For less hassle change the Ishtar pilot to Domi and go with 1400 + 750 assisted.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#14 - 2013-10-03 15:06:20 UTC
Darling Hassasin wrote:
TFI & TFI with 2xcap links XL booster on each perma, full damage mod lows, totals 2800 dps or thereabouts. You would need to micromange a fair bit.

For less hassle change the Ishtar pilot to Domi and go with 1400 + 750 assisted.


The problem is the micro managings.

In Guristas Space, I dual box Vindicator + Typhoon fleet Issue.

TyFI with Garde IIs, FoF scourge cruise missiles, 4 slot perma running shield tank (pith c medium booster, boost amp, and 2 hardeners) + drone tracking mod in 5th mid slot, damage mods in the lows and CCCs for rigs (and plus 3 cap implants) to make the shield tank stable.

The Vindi and TyFi put out soooo much dps that much tank isn't needed. I assign the TyFi's drones to the Vindi, start the FoF missiles and I don't even have to tab over to the TyFi until I hear "a module as run out of charges" to restart the FoFs lol.

25 to 30 mil ticks per toon in Guristas or Serp Forsaken Hubs, slightly less in Forsaken Rally Points (i like rally points because they can escalate to 8/10s, much less annoying that Fleet Staging points. Don't take my word for it, try it and see Big smile
Natasha Konovalova
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-10-03 21:59:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Natasha Konovalova
Jenn aSide wrote:

...start the FoF missiles and I don't even have to tab over to the TyFi until I hear "a module as run out of charges" to restart the FoFs lol.

25 to 30 mil ticks per toon in Guristas or Serp Forsaken Hubs, slightly less in Forsaken Rally Points (i like rally points because they can escalate to 8/10s, much less annoying that Fleet Staging points. Don't take my word for it, try it and see Big smile


I have experience with FoF missiles, and you basically have to give up most anomalies with structures in them. You can make FoF shoot ships instead of structures if target ship happens to be closer (compared to structure) to your ship firing FoF. TyFi is not as nimble as Tengu to pull that off.

Although, 25 to 30 mil ticks sounds awfully depressing for two blinged out BS hulls, I routinely make over 20 with two cruisers that require no ammo.

Having said that, I am entertaining an idea of biting the bullet and skilling yet another carrier-only alt with intention of trying two HAM tengu each having full flight of fighters assigned.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-10-03 22:36:55 UTC
Natasha Konovalova wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

...start the FoF missiles and I don't even have to tab over to the TyFi until I hear "a module as run out of charges" to restart the FoFs lol.

25 to 30 mil ticks per toon in Guristas or Serp Forsaken Hubs, slightly less in Forsaken Rally Points (i like rally points because they can escalate to 8/10s, much less annoying that Fleet Staging points. Don't take my word for it, try it and see Big smile


I have experience with FoF missiles, and you basically have to give up most anomalies with structures in them. You can make FoF shoot ships instead of structures if target ship happens to be closer (compared to structure) to your ship firing FoF. TyFi is not as nimble as Tengu to pull that off.

Although, 25 to 30 mil ticks sounds awfully depressing for two blinged out BS hulls, I routinely make over 20 with two cruisers that require no ammo.

Having said that, I am entertaining an idea of biting the bullet and skilling yet another carrier-only alt with intention of trying two HAM tengu each having full flight of fighters assigned.

It seems ccp changed the auto targeting missiles. I use them for high sec anomalies. I use light auto targeting missiles. They don't attack structures anymore. I don't know about the cruise variant since I only use light auto targeting missiles so far.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#17 - 2013-10-03 22:45:03 UTC
Natasha Konovalova wrote:


Having said that, I am entertaining an idea of biting the bullet and skilling yet another carrier-only alt with intention of trying two HAM tengu each having full flight of fighters assigned.

A HAM tengu does around 860 dps and you will find by the time your fighters get to the BS, they will be just about dead, the rats, not the fighters. This in the case of forsaken hubs where things are pretty close.
Natasha Konovalova
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-10-03 22:59:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Natasha Konovalova
HAM Tengu by no means 1-shots a target, and is a close range brawler. Fighters essentially have no distance to cover, they will be always hovering nearby. As an added bonus, fighters wont allow any shield regen while missiles are reloading.