Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Last time I bounce ideas off you =P

But yes.

Alx got me thinking. Planetary Stargates. A WiS (or should I rather say W.o.p -> Walking on planets) expansion that basically enables Eve life without starships, pods or even space. It's a bit of a stretch and in it's early stages of design, but I think it could be a viable addition to this topic.

We allow the construction of mini planet based stargates on the PI network (probably a military network), linking to another military network stargate owned by the same player/corp/alliance in some far away system. These planetary stargates will allow players to travel between planets the same way current space based stargates allow player ships to travel between systems. The stargates would only be able to send a limited amount of mass through at any given time (like wormholes), after which it would require a recharge or more fuel (if we made it run on a jump bridge/portal fuel system). All characters would then receive a mass value.

We could also allow these stargates to be used as a means of transporting items (PI goods, fuels, materials, items or ships etc) between networks. But since our characters don't have backpacks or a wheelbarrow or something to move the items through the gate, we'd be looking at introducing controllable planetary industrial vehicles for Eve players. Imagine small industrial cargoships, mediums and large, only planet based with a limited storage capacity of say 5000m3, 10000m3 and 15000m3 or something along those lines ferrying goods between these stargates.

This type of system would enable players to setup cities on hostile owned planets, spam goods and items and then use their own stargates to slowly move items to friendly planets, completely bypassing the entire "hostile fleet in local / gatecamps/ customs scene or risking ship and limb to retrieve goods from planets located in that hostile system. Once transported into friendlier waters, they could be retrieved via the starports or customs offices, or even kept on the planet and sold on the planetary markets.

Still hashing allot of things out, will probably add another 3-5 posts or so to this topic.

I don't believe so.

But if it is true, it would be the first I've heard of it.

So what is the judgment of the PI alliances on your idea?

Now, the additions are made the odd likes received, when do we get to see the idea posted in the assembly hall? Or do you just want to continuing to nurse/babysit it here furthermore.

It’s a complex proposal which, if not judged by a boarder public, already start to loos attachment. Do you have direct contact with any of the dev’s in the dust514 arena? The further this idea is taking out the more adjustments need to be done. Now you want to add "Walking on Planets", if this ever should be considered as a real implementation into the game it will take years to do so. Don’t think they just drop WiS or divert their ongoing Dust514 planning and time scheduling and jump over to your ideas which seem to grow as the days go by.

For now it’s just a well thought, ever growing, SF storie based on the game.

As long as you are not willing to put it in Assembly hall there will be no attention by the dev’s.

1) I have yet to pass this along to the broader plain of PI alliances via the Assembly hall. This is in the process of happening. The alliance PI carebears I have spoken to in entities that transcend russian, french, former NC, former IT, ghetto pirates, pvpers, wormhole maniacs and the likes, are well and truly fond of the idea.

2) No I do not have direct contact with a Dev for Dust or Eve. But this is an oversight I'm looking to remedy.

3) Thanks for the advice regarding the Assembly Hall. But patients young grasshopper. Even if this Assembly Hall post were made, it would not find it's way onto Sisi overnight. I anticipate the Assembly Hall to try it's best to tear it to shreds, so it's been sitting here in the ideas forums for sometime, smoothing out all the issues and covering all the basics so as to make more people happy than it would have with the initial 1st draft. Even if only 20% of this idea were considered, it would only ever see the light of existence some time after Dust is released, building upon the same technologies that will make fps on eve planets possible. As for the 2.1 version (Which will be posted in teh assembly hall), it will incorporate allot of the feedback collected in this topic, right up to about page 5 at this point in time.

My Assembly Hall post is nearing completion if you have an interest in it's progress. I am just considering adding graphics to better convey the idea(s) behind it and how it would integrate with what we currently have.

It will also feature a proposed release strategy, indicating what features should be introduced first and in what kind of time frame windows these new mechanisms, additions and dimensions to Eve should be introduced in.

Depending on how much effort I want to put into the graphics, the 2.1 version could be posted as early as this weekend. But to give you an idea of what a mission it is to finish off and complete, here is the Table of Contents:

Planetary Interaction 2.1
Acknowledgments (player contributions)
Index:
Introduction
1.0 Planetary Interaction
1.1 PICC (Industrial Command Centers)
1.2 PCCC (Civilian Command Centers)
1.3 PMCC (Military Command Centers)
1.4 PSCC (Social Command Centers)
2.0 Moon Interaction
2.1 MICC (Moon Industrial Command Centers)
2.2 MCCC (Moon Civilian Command Centers)
2.3 MMCC (Moon Military Command Centers)
2.4 MSCC (Moon Social Command Centers)
3.0 Planetary attribute Overhaul & additions
3.1 Planetary population growth/death rates
4.0 PI Cities + Capital Cities
4.1 City Development Index & PI-Hub upgrades
4.2 Connecting PI Networks to Cities (PI-Hubs)
4.3 Conquering/Destroying Cities
5.0 Terra-forming
5.1 Terra-forming chains (Type to type conversions)
6.0 City location penalties
7.0 NPC action hauling contracts
8.0 Space and Planetary Economies (for corps and alliances)
9.0 Smuggling and Player owned Customs Offices
10.0 The relationship between Ships and Planets
11.0 Skills for PI 2.1
12.0 Proposed deployment plan

Updated the previous post with a table of contents of the 2.1 version.

Estimating this idea to equate to a 39 post suggestion at present (without graphics links)

In fact, in the lore, the capsuler is not the only one inside the ship, the crew is there for maintenance duties, and how do they get there? When you assemble the ship they are recruited from the Stations / SMA / Outposts / Capital ship population. But as you are an Allmight demigod capsuler you just don't care about them, and your ship can go well without maintenance, so you can launch a ship into space with 1% of the crew and it still will work for a good fine... but offcoures if you enter an other station your ship will automatically recruit what more is needed for you...

The same is said about the Outposts / POS / Custom-Ofices / Comand center population they are there (Inside the modules and pices) they are counted as part of the volume...

So if start taking hull damage you also loses part of your crew, and when you overheat a module you will possible kill some too...

And when you kill a pirate batleship... Thousands of deaths!!! when you kill a floating structure just to see what will drop, thousands of deaths, that is what a capsuler is.... A immortal Demigod of Death...

Also all the main functions of the ship are on the capsule's will, the crew is not an efficiency factor ...

So i don't think that the population of the planets will be a main concern since you can say that they are all inside the ship along the 1000m³ of the command center, and the rest is just clonned or fly from your ship or from somewhere to the planet when you enter the planetary view... most of the hard work are for the drones and nanites...

Just to make sure I understood your post.

You want the terraforming structure to be able to change the planet type along a pre-determined path (with regards to making the planet more habitable for civilian populations) that the players can select. And as long as that structure stays intact, fueled and online, the planet will remain the type it was terraformed to.

If the structure goes offline, runs out of fuel or is destroyed, the planet starts the reversion cycle back into it's previous (pre-terraforming) state and thus loses it's habitable appeal?

I think that is an option. But I think that option is too focused on civilian operations. Your concerned that the initial terraforming idea will allow alliances to take all their gas and barren planets and turn them into plasma worlds, each costing a titan in isk time and resources to begin with. This cost and time factor alone will prevent the mass spamming of key industrial type planets and serve as a much needed isk sink for such large entities to begin with. So yes, while planets will end up being changed into more valuable ones, depending on the goal of the alliance, it will be such a slow, long term and resource heavy process that actual proliferation will take years. This despite the ability of attacking alliances to abort the process by taking out the structures.

Your version of the idea will turn all the existing plasma and lava worlds into sprawling metropli (by adjusting their growth/death/migration rates as a result of a more habitable environment), that boost output so much with the bonuses granted by civilian PI networks that it would amount to the same output as a system with 8 plasmas.

So there is room for abuse either way, but it will be costly abuse.

Don't you think?

EVE Simcity Really? You want to complex a very complicated game. Maybe the next expantion will not be 514, the next expansion wold be "SIM EVE" or "SPORE EVE", construct the world!

in this formula probably never but but some of the ideas presented in this thread will most most likely be part of the update when dust gets released , and there is no date yet set for that :P

1) The only planetary guns that would be able to shoot that far, would be the anti-capital guns. Sub caps will be beyond reach of the anti-sub cap defenses that protect the city close range. At this point in time, we have not yet indicated that those cap guns would be capable of hitting attacking caps as far out as the customs offices, but I'm sure it would be worth looking into.

As for sub caps... would it be fair to allow capsuleers to place anti sub cap defenses on their networks and allow those defenses to attack sub cap pilots who agress the customs offices? It would be like sending frigates up against deathstars.... An idea I'm not opposed to, but my biggest concern is the mass adoption of this big idea as opposed to appeasing just PI farmers.

2) I believe they can do this already as per the suggestion. There are even bounties on these npcs similar to our rats for eve.

A) This is the case. Military networks and all defenses use the POS mechanics. You can set who to shoot and under what circumstances to shoot. With regards to anti-cap guns, you can assume control of these. We could look into doing the same for anti-sub cap guns. BUt I think that might end up becoming too overpowered.

B) This will hopefully be the case with all the military networks etc that can be setup.

3) CCP will handle this.

4) Minerals will be used to construct items like the PI-hubs, alongside some PI components. But the rest of the City will use isk to be built, as PI does currently. You will however, be able to import minerals and blueprints/ammo/modules down into the City and use the manufacturing facilities that can be setup to construct items for Eve or Dust players, such as modules, ships, components, ammo etc.