Intergalactic Summit

I bestow upon you a singular honor, one that I have never used on any other capsuleer in New Eden. You are forum blocked for being a basic idiot troll, "Live Long".

Is that a joke ?

The named individuals would need to actually have been poached from their home culture to suffer "hostage syndrome", and even then poached only after that home culture has imprinted on them enough to constitute their identity to a significant degree.

No, the case is that these individuals are cultural Amarrians who just so happen to have a Matar ethnicity.

Are you indeed familiar with the stated histories of the individual examples? If you are making a general non-specific statement we could discuss the pros and cons of my observations at great length. I am never afraid to strengthen any position I hold in the crucible of reasoned discussion, if my position stands as victor or falls as vanquished, I emerge a better person for it either way.

Just because some one doesn't understand, doesn't mean they cant learn. As far as some one of Minmatar blood, raised in a different culture, It is here that I cannot give you a good answer, or at least one that I think you can find acceptable, nonetheless, I shall try.

I cannot speak for others of my Race, but when it comes to my tribe, I feel it in my blood.

I'll give you an anecdote. During the recent emancipation, as it has been pointed out by many here, there was a flood of Minmatar returning to the Republic, most with almost no knowledge of their Tribal Heritage. In my work within the Brutor tribe, I met many of these returning men, women, and children. To them I often posed the question, why? Why come back, when all you know is the Empire? They simply responded that their blood calls them home. This is the mindset that we have. This call, I believe exists in every Minmatar, whether or not the chose to follow it

I hope that I was able to portray the meaning I was intending to, and that while you may not agree with it, at least you may you leave with a bit more understanding.

I would like to issue a general apology to anyone I may have, or did call a name undeserved by their statements in this forum. The issue of freedom versus slavery, peace versus war are very deeply held by me and sometimes my passions inflame my tongue. The reality is that any chance for peace will no doubt come from these type of often raucous exchanges between opposed viewpoints. I have an admitted intolerance for the slow witted who post parroted childish drivel devoid of experience, passion or factual basis with lengthy enthusiasm.

I will make a better attempt to keep my passions in check, I despise war and what it does to New Eden and to me.

Captain Farel, do you consider yourself to be an 'Ammatar' thus admitting to Minmatar ancestry?

Of course, slavery or being shot. Those are the only two options.


Did you know tattoos of veins or needles are the most common tattoo given to a former slave? A symbol of the addiction to vitoc and all it entails. Even leaders of tribes have known to have their veins mapped out, needles piercing their skin.

Another one is the Panther. For ages the Brutor have revered it as both a symbol of death and the grace of acceptance. Leftovers from old times. When a Panther is seen near the neck, ready to attack, it means that they will fight to the death, they have spent years accepting their death, coming to terms with it, for when the Panther need strike.

Now ask me what the most common tattoo amongst the people of my tribe is.

I will tell you what my people think of your two options.

Dear Lord...

Starting with Mr. Aloga, since I actually have respect and desire to talk with you.

I certainly agree that Arkon Ardishapur wouldn't have been killed by the Starkmanir if they weren't enslaved. I thought I had mentioned that in an indirect way but yes, we agree on that point.

Regarding the importance of tribal heritage to the Matari-it is something we're all taught when raised in the Republic. The clan is the first identifier, followed by the tribe, then the whole Minmatar race. It is seen as backwards from the outside, but it is the way of our culture. I personally never went against my clan and ensured their safety-that is another story though. The Brutor tribe, on the other hand, I've had many disagreements with and it was not something I wanted to be apart of, and so I split from it (this is before I left the Republic, mind you). While this is seen as unnatural and going against oneself in the Matari culture, it is what I thought was best. To this day I have not renounced my heritage; I know where I came from and where I've been. I remember the things that had to be for me to stand here today. I still consider myself Matari, and quite fortunate at that. I'm getting off-topic though, let me replant myself on track.

I understand the concept of "our" referring to the members of the Matari society, but the Matari indoctrinated by the Amarr are no longer members of the Matari society. I'm curious as to more background of the people you say came back because they felt their blood calls them. I've met many who desired to go back to Matar because they heard that it is their old home and that they will be accepted with open arms.

Some are not disappointed, and I've found these people to mainly be the Matari who were never fully indoctrinated. Those who are more inline with Amarr beliefs find this rumor to be a disappointment. These individuals have not been members of the Matari society for some time, and are not really "our" people in the sense you've put forth. Like I said before, I can understand wanting to free recently enslaved Minmatar, but expecting many of those fully indoctrinated to adopt Matari ways is something of a pipe-dream in my opinion and experience. They may have Matari blood coursing through their veins but they are not the Matari accepted in it's mainline society, much like the Outcasts on Vo'Shun.


To Mr. Inhonores,

I'm not sure you know who or what you are talking about. Lyn grew up as an Ammatar, Ms. Kernher grew up as a slave, and I grew up in the Republic. To say "these individuals are cultural Amarrians who just so happen to have a Matar ethnicity," is neither accurate nor showing an understanding of who you are talking about. Speaking for myself, I am not a 'cultural Amarrian' in any way. The others are probably more than Amarrian by culture but I will let them speak for themselves.


To Ms. Rella,

Can you clarify if you're asking if the Amarr have called for high-level discussions after the Elder Fleet broke the Yulai Accords, or before? I assume you meant after, as that is the only thing that would make sense. I don't know of any requests for discussions after the Elder Fleet incident, but there were discussions going on before. I don't know how you expected peace to exist without them.


Now that leaves me to address the vainglorious Mitar,

First, I must comment that I find it amusing you blocked Fredfredbug4, an ally of your people, while continuing to talk to me. I didn't even know you could block people on the forums till now but color me enlightened.

On to more serious subjects...I'm glad to see that you've found some information on the Daughters of the Revolution. It's good you can simply pass it off as "a few bad people doing bad things;" I bet that helps you sleep at night and helps retain your inclination for emancipation at whatever the cost. Tell me, who told you the story and what all were you told? Did you ask an academic or an elder who was alive during the Rebellion? I was unfortunate enough to have an elder woman tell me the details shortly after the first time the TLF captured Ezzara and Arzad.

Oh, what a great victory it was for us back then. The Amarr were on their heels and I took the opportunity to visit Starkman Prime and other planets that we had 'liberated.' The sight was morose and dreadful, and that's all I care to describe of it at this time, but I refused to let it falter my drive. After an unfortunate incident in Vo'Shun, I returned to the Republic for a short leave. Talking with friends amongst some of their elders, I made the mistake of claiming I had seen the costs of war and, before my brain could register the pain, I had a missing tooth and a swollen cheek. A woman more than 100 years old had thwacked me so hard across the face my friends eyes bulged out, dumbfounded. When I regained my composure she told me the stories of **** and genocide our own people committed in the name of emancipation and that I truly would never see the true costs of war in my capsule or among the ruins for a "field trip," as she called it. It was then my mind began to work a bit differently. Perhaps she hit me too hard...

My point of bringing up this story isn't to prove that we enslaved each other in the past, as that was not my intent. The point is that this story is not something you will find in any textbook, and the point of me bringing it up was two-fold: one-so you could perhaps have a similar experience I did to open your eyes, and two-so you would see that not all history is in the textbooks or newsreels. There are some things you have to dig for, and considering the Daughters of the Revolution is recent history, there are some older things you may find nearly impossible to discover. Choose to believe the stories you hear or don't, that is not my concern, but don't be so naive to think "if it's not written, it's not true." Remember who writes history-the victors.

-Eran

Ammatar - which is a cultural appelation, not a racial one - are predisposed towards mendacity, betrayal, bet-hedging and seeking the greener side of the fence. That's literally how they survive.