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Spud Lazair

Doomheim

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#1 - 2013-09-29 23:19:23 UTC

i placed this post in here because it is kind of warfare related.
i have my overview setup by following the guide on uniwiki, however i would like to know if this is actually current and upto date or are there some custom overview settings available to download that are more upto date?
i need a good setting for pvp and fleet roams, and also a general point to point travelling overview. i have my basic gtfo . mission . mining tabs all setup.

many thanks

"Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days you are the statue"

Rehabilitation Clinic 879
Bad Messenger Rehabilitation Clinic Likes received: 879	#2 - 2013-09-30 00:48:52 UTC i do not know how to setup overview and i have played this game from 2006. I have only one tab with some settings that may vary , it is all you need.

Baron' Soontir Fel

Deep Core Mining Inc.

Caldari State

Likes received: 262

#3 - 2013-09-30 01:29:14 UTC

Bad Messenger wrote:

i do not know how to setup overview and i have played this game from 2006.

I have only one tab with some settings that may vary , it is all you need.

I would not recommend this.

I run :

"Small gang" window with gates, beacons, ships, and stations with it. It's my usual one that I have open.
"Enemy" window with only enemy ships.
"Drones" -drones
"Loot" - Wrecks + Bodies + drones
"Navigation" - Anything you can warp to. Belts, planets, gates, stations. No ships.

Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 9
Jacques-Benigne Bossuet Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation Likes received: 9	#4 - 2013-09-30 12:34:54 UTC Another option to think about if you ever have play Logi. Friendlies tab - like the enemy tab but... uhh friendlies. "An adventure is only an inconvenience rightly considered. An inconvenience is an adventure wrongly considered." G. K. Chesterton


Spud Lazair Doomheim Likes received: 70	#5 - 2013-09-30 12:37:19 UTC i have just found this overview pack which seems quite handy http://forums.ponywaffe.org/topic/1697-sarahs-overview-pack%e2%84%a2-rel-030/ "Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days you are the statue"


Spud Lazair Doomheim Likes received: 70	#6 - 2013-10-01 14:03:12 UTC Is there an actual up to date guide as to how to set up the backgrounds and colortags? are they supposed to be in a particular order, lots of info but its all pre oddessy and full of conflicting info. "Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days you are the statue"

Crosi Wesdo

War and Order

Likes received: 2,054

#7 - 2013-10-01 17:34:58 UTC | Edited by: Crosi Wesdo

I use these orderings :

http://clip2net.com/page/m98105/53346921

http://clip2net.com/page/m98105/53346914

There are a few edge cases where this may be confusing, for example in faction war, allied faction awoxers will show as friendlies so some situation awareness is still needed, moving bad standings ABOVE allied faction would fix that but presents other problems. There may be further confusion since i dont use the standard colours for example, any pirate for me is flashy yellow, militia target flashy orange, war target flashy red amongst some other changes.

The odering themselves should be pretty solid even without a non standard colour scheme.

Spud Lazair

Doomheim

Likes received: 70

#8 - 2013-10-01 18:04:02 UTC | Edited by: Spud Lazair

Crosi Wesdo wrote:

Cheers that helps alot, i guess then its just a case of creating your profiles etc.

why is it that in the eve uniwiki guide they say to put things in a different order? does it actually make a difference.

"Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days you are the statue"

Crosi Wesdo

War and Order

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#9 - 2013-10-01 21:11:09 UTC

Spud Lazair wrote:

Crosi Wesdo wrote:

The order of things is dependant on what you want to know. All i want to know is, can i shoot them. And secondarily, can i shoot them near a gate or station. Beyond that im sure there are many wierd and wonderful setups but mine is for quick reference of hostility, and viability.

Spud Lazair

Doomheim

Likes received: 70

#10 - 2013-10-02 10:09:37 UTC | Edited by: Spud Lazair

well i think i am almost done, thank god :)
i followed uni wiki guide for the colortag and background list order, not sure why but i just kept going back to their's i then took some ideas from Blitz Kotare and sarah's overview pack's and ended up with my own :)

question in a basic pvp profile would you have npc rats etc visible or would you make a seperate PVE mission profile?

also just noticed that each time i import an overview once i set up my backgrounds and colortags to a specific order i then export the said overview, if i then re-import the same overview the backgrounds and colortags are back to their original order, is there away to save the position of these rather than having to keep adjusting them to how i want?

hope that last part makes sense

"Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days you are the statue"

Danny John-Peter

Blue Canary

Watch This

Likes received: 579

#11 - 2013-10-02 13:46:23 UTC

I have;

Small Gang; Shows Gates, Stations, Sun, Beacons and all ships including friendlies and gang mates.
Large Gang; Shows enemies and beacons.
Drones; Shows drones, Gates, Stations, Sun, Beacons.
Anti-Supp; Shows Frigs, Dessys, Gates, Stations, Sun, Beacons.
No Neuts; Shows Friendlies and Enemy's, including gang mates as well as Gates, Stations, Sun, Beacons.

All my overviews have POS shields, Probes and Bombs on.

Myriad Blaze

Common Sense Ltd

Nulli Secunda

Likes received: 465

#12 - 2013-10-02 19:50:03 UTC

Spud Lazair wrote:

As you already know background and colortag order is important to identify your targets.
It works like this:
The colortag and background settings lists work intependent from each other.
The system will always start at the top of the list and goes down line by line, looking for a set condition that matches the target. If it finds one, the target is marked according to your settings. All other lines below the first line with a positive match are ignored.
By using different orders in the colortag and in the background list you can work around some issues. Usually the lists are set to warn you of imminent dangers (i.e. war targets etc. are at the top).

Spud Lazair wrote:

question in a basic pvp profile would you have npc rats etc visible or would you make a seperate PVE mission profile?

For a "basic" PvP overview profile I would include (most) NPCs. If you fight other players where there are no NPCs around those settings won't do anything. But if there are aggressive NPCs you might want to know how many of them have you targeted. You should have other profiles available to set the overview with regard to what you want to do. You mentioned Sarah's overview pack above. I like that pack (my own is a bit different, though) and you'll find many different overview profiles in it. In my own overview settings I have profiles for general PvE, general PvP, PvP - ships only, wormholes and many more.

Spud Lazair wrote:

also just noticed that each time i import an overview once i set up my backgrounds and colortags to a specific order i then export the said overview, if i then re-import the same overview the backgrounds and colortags are back to their original order, is there away to save the position of these rather than having to keep adjusting them to how i want?
hope that last part makes sense

It seems that you exported your settings before saving it in game. Check the dropdown menu for the overview settings. You'll find an option to save your current overview setup.

State War Academy Caldari State 2,242
Cara Forelli State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 2,242	#13 - 2013-10-02 19:53:30 UTC \| Edited by: Cara Forelli I wrote this guide a few weeks ago which may help you. Want to talk? Join my channel in game: *House Forelli* Titan's Lament

Myriad Blaze

Common Sense Ltd

Nulli Secunda

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#14 - 2013-10-02 20:16:49 UTC | Edited by: Myriad Blaze

And while we're at it, are you also interested to alter the ship labels in the game and make your overview colored? (You'll see the ship label if you click on the target ship ... it's a line of white text giving info about the distance, ship type and other stuff.)

You know about importing and exporting your overview settings, so I assume you also know that the info is stored in a XML file.
All overview XMLs are structured the same. I did some XML magic with my settings and also explained what I did using comments (I'm considering to release my overview settings to the public when I'm satisfied with my profiles).

Here's what you need for colored overview columns and custom ship labels (just cut&paste into your overview XML):

http://pastebin.com/cZQu5Fds

EDIT: It's explained in the XML, but it's important: You need to open the "Ship" folder under "Overview Settings" and uncheck "Hide corp ticker if pilot is in Alliance" after you imported the XML with my modifications or the ship label will not display properly.

EDIT2: Forgot to mention that the XML I posted also has the settings for the overview columns. If you want to keep yours you need to cut&paste the sections for ship labels and colored overview tabs seperately.

x Never Regret x 988
Taoist Dragon x Never Regret x Likes received: 988	#15 - 2013-10-02 20:47:17 UTC 2 The 'allied' militia problem can be worked around by sticking the militia column on your over view. Shrink it right down so only 1 letter is shown then it clearly shows if they are in your militia or your 'allies' That is the Way, the Tao. Balance is everything.

Spud Lazair

Doomheim

Likes received: 70

#16 - 2013-10-02 22:42:52 UTC | Edited by: Spud Lazair

ok reading some of the comments i feel i may have made a balls up with the colortag and background order's would anyone be willing to post a piccy or do me a list in the correct order i should have them?
here is a piccy of mine as they are now, this order was taken from "the altruist" website

http://www.evealtruist.com/2012/11/overview-setup-for-pvp.html

my list's

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/emperorbog/tagnback_zps07886d01.jpg

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/emperorbog/tagnback_zps07886d01.jpg[/IMG]

"Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days you are the statue"

Cara Forelli

State War Academy

Caldari State

Likes received: 2,242

#17 - 2013-10-02 23:27:13 UTC | Edited by: Cara Forelli

Spud Lazair wrote:

I would move things like "pilot is at war with your corporation" above "pilot has good/excellent" standing, just in case you happen to go to war with someone you set to high standing. You don't want to be in a situation where you don't realize they have a reason to shoot you. I also put "pilot is in your fleet" at the top of backgrounds but not colortag. Then you can see at a glance if the people you are fleeted with are corpies, or allies, etc from the colortag. It's really just personal preference though, whatever works for you. There is a picture of my setup (it's kinda hard to read though) in that link I posted, though it is optimized for RvB and may not be "one size fits all".

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Titan's Lament

Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 2,240
Garviel Tarrant Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel Likes received: 2,240	#18 - 2013-10-03 00:28:39 UTC I have five overview tabs but i know some elite players that only have one or two. BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Spud Lazair

Doomheim

Likes received: 70

#19 - 2013-10-04 00:47:35 UTC

Many thanks for all the replies and tips etc, i personally think the overview guides need a complete overhaul, there are alot of good overview packs available but sadly they are no longer updated (sarahs for example) and for a noob pilot to get his head round the overview is a big hurdle. What would be nice would be for ccp to introduce more color into the target text, i know this can be done however it does cause some export issues, i am very surprised they have not released an official tool to create custom profiles.

anyway once again thanks

"Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days you are the statue"

Nisroc Angels The Obsidian Front - Reborn 445
Ynot Eyob Nisroc Angels The Obsidian Front - Reborn Likes received: 445	#20 - 2013-10-04 08:46:11 UTC Spud Lazair wrote: i have just found this overview pack which seems quite handy http://forums.ponywaffe.org/topic/1697-sarahs-overview-pack%e2%84%a2-rel-030/ ^^ This is awesome and bloody good work Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".