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Robin Negrebskoh
HKS Industries
#1 - 2013-10-02 20:13:17 UTC
Hello there,

Since EVE Online is pretty much the only game I play on my PCs (and it works good on Wine), I'm going to move from the annoying dual-boot to a single Linux installation. However, I have a simple question: are there significant differences in performance between EVE Online on Windows and EVE Online on Wine+Linux? A small drop in performance would be completely fine, but I'd rather it not add too much additional load to my PC, seeing as I'm already used to running EVE on one (big 40") screen and 'work stuff' on another.

Thanks.
Binanty
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-10-02 21:55:08 UTC
I think that in my own experience it runs way worse than directly on windows, its playable, but i cant get much above 30 fps with all the setting cranked up in wine, i have ATI 7790 and my previous 5770 was able to get around 30 fps with everything on max settings in windows. But the game is still very playable, and i know there are coming some pretty amazing perfomance enhancements in wine with one of the next updates, there was talk about 50-100 % perfomance, so i think its not too bad.
Kismeteer
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2013-10-03 15:07:34 UTC
There is a performance hit, but I'm able to run 3 clients pretty easily still on a core2 duo.
Nebu Retski
Lead Farmers
#4 - 2013-10-03 15:46:38 UTC
Kismeteer wrote:
There is a performance hit, but I'm able to run 3 clients pretty easily still on a core2 duo.

He's a Goon don't trust him, he's out to scam you.

More seriously he's quite right. I have a quite old system and I'm able to comfortably run 2 clients in max settings while still being able to browse, code, low load things. Compiling things while running 2 clients on the other hand tends to be not so good, but 1 client + compiling goes just fine.
Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
#5 - 2013-10-08 01:29:56 UTC
It depends. Running on a single monitor you can get pretty good performance. But if you have a multimonitor setup running twinview you get about half the fps. This is with a nvidia graphic card, not sure how an amd card handles it.

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Kismeteer
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2013-10-08 22:00:46 UTC
Mr M wrote:
It depends. Running on a single monitor you can get pretty good performance. But if you have a multimonitor setup running twinview you get about half the fps. This is with a nvidia graphic card, not sure how an amd card handles it.


I actually have few problems with nvidia and twinview.
Marsan
#7 - 2013-10-09 02:02:40 UTC
It's slower but with a current version of wine, and an NVidia card with NVidia's drives it seems to work just fine. I've run it on the open source NV driver, but performance wasn't great. I've seen issues with friends running ATI cards who solved the issue with a $100 NV card (they had more money than time). The real issue is that CCP breaks wine compatibility and your offline for days to a week. I always safe everything up before a major patch.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
Nebu Retski
Lead Farmers
#8 - 2013-10-09 14:19:37 UTC
Marsan wrote:
The real issue is that CCP breaks wine compatibility and your offline for days to a week.

It's not that bad. They do occasionally break wine compatibility, but the last time they really broke compatibility was somewhere in April 2012 (I believe when they introduced the first launcher). Obviously I do not count the launcher breakage of this summer because they only broke a piece of software which is not even necessary to play the game.

Marsan wrote:
I always safe everything up before a major patch.

This is sound advice, together with setting a very long skill just in case they do screw things up.
Tetractys
Very Italian People
The Initiative.
#9 - 2013-10-10 13:40:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Tetractys
In my experience, unless the captain quarters not working, all the rest is *better* than windows, considering the complete environment too (cinnamon or xfce). Full graphics.
on:
i7 - 3770K @ 3.5 GHz
16 Gb ram
NVIDIA GTX 670 with 325.15 drivers
Mint15 or xubuntu 13.04 64bit.
wine 1.7.1

At disposal for details.
Ravow
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-10-10 23:34:14 UTC
Run 2 clients with max settings without any issue:

Gentoo Linux
- Kernel 3.8.7 + cflags patch (for -march=bdver1)
- 6 x Radeon 7970 3GB (mine *coin in the same time, no SLI here and all EVE run on the first video card)
- 32GB DDR3 1600
- Wine 1.7.2 (lto+graphite)
- fglrx 13.1 (I would prefer use opensource radeon drivers but i'm stuck with theses old Catalyst because of my OpenCL and ADL requirement)
COMM4NDER
Legendary Umbrellas
#11 - 2013-10-13 23:08:28 UTC  |  Edited by: COMM4NDER
I did some testing comparing Windows and different versions of wine with some patches. Here are the results that i have. Please read Testing: for how it was done.

Graphs:

Station Rendering Performance
Space Rendering Performance

Hardware used:

  • CPU: AMD 8350 @ 4.4Ghz
  • RAM: Corsair @ 1866 CL 10 2x4GiB
  • GPU: nVidia Zotac 670 AMP


Software used:

  • Arch Linux
  • KDE 4.11.2
  • Linux-ck-piledriver 3.11.4
  • Wine-multimedia with some patches
  • Wine vanilla (Arch repo)
  • nVidia 331.13 (Linux)
  • nVidia 331.40 (Windows)


Wine Patches and configs:


Testing:

Station
Record for 60 seconds few times and plot the graphs.

Space
Start recording in station.
Start Undock at 10 seconds (the first big dip in FPS)
Warping to an Asteroid belt (larger dip, about 50FPS)
Warping to Gate and Jump
Aproach Gate Jump back
Warp and Dock back to Station

All settings on Maximum with the governator set to performance.
Way to big fluctuations on default ondemand governator settings. So you may benefit from adjusting it or just switching to performance when launching the game.

Wine launch without optimization
WINEDEBUG=-all wine explorer /desktop=EVE-Commander,0x0 /home/commander/.Games/eve/install/drive_c/Program Files/CCP/EVE/eve.exe &>> ~/EVE/Commander.log&

Wine launch with optimization
__GL_THREADED_OPTIMIZATIONS=1 WINEDEBUG=-all wine explorer /desktop=EVE-Commander,0x0 /home/commander/.Games/eve/install/drive_c/Program Files/CCP/EVE/eve.exe &>> ~/EVE/Commander.log&

[url=https://github.com/CommanderAlchemy/.bin/blob/master/eve] EVE - Online Launcher [Linux] [/url] Installs, launches character prefixes (both SISI & Tranquility). Simplescreenrecorder shm inject
Adara Starkiss
Argentum Holdings
#12 - 2013-10-18 13:08:41 UTC
About the CCP 'screwups', I seem to remember that they plan in the 'future' to have ppl start for the first time eve some in Captains Quarters and some in Hangar. Let's hope it doest apply to current users... after a major patch like the incoming for November...

Ubuntu Mate 16.04.2 64bit // Amd A8-5600K with RX460 4GB // 6GB DDR3 // Sandisk 120GB SSD Plus // Wine Stable 2.01 // Native Linux Launcher // TS3 working // Happy to be back in Ubuntu :)
Adara Starkiss
Argentum Holdings
#13 - 2013-10-18 15:01:45 UTC
And guess who was just affected by the dreade Captain Quarters feature.... ugh.

After movie is displayed, I get sent directly to Captain Quarters and crash. In Settings before loading the game theres no visible option for going Ship Hangar directly, any other option?

Ubuntu Mate 16.04.2 64bit // Amd A8-5600K with RX460 4GB // 6GB DDR3 // Sandisk 120GB SSD Plus // Wine Stable 2.01 // Native Linux Launcher // TS3 working // Happy to be back in Ubuntu :)
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-10-18 15:39:05 UTC
Adara Starkiss wrote:
And guess who was just affected by the dreade Captain Quarters feature.... ugh.

After movie is displayed, I get sent directly to Captain Quarters and crash. In Settings before loading the game theres no visible option for going Ship Hangar directly, any other option?

Turn off CQ entirely.
Gislin D'ahl
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-11-06 14:31:28 UTC
Robin Negrebskoh wrote:
Hello there,

Since EVE Online is pretty much the only game I play on my PCs (and it works good on Wine), I'm going to move from the annoying dual-boot to a single Linux installation. However, I have a simple question: are there significant differences in performance between EVE Online on Windows and EVE Online on Wine+Linux? A small drop in performance would be completely fine, but I'd rather it not add too much additional load to my PC, seeing as I'm already used to running EVE on one (big 40") screen and 'work stuff' on another.

Thanks.


I have a few computers I use to run Eve. All are laptops. All have Nvidia cards. All are dual-boots Windows/Fedora Linux.

I find that Eve runs faster on all my computers except the old laptop that runs Windows XP. However, that one also has an old video card and I have to turn down all the settings. So it could just be faster on that windows because it has zero eye candy.

On Linux, I have two systematic "issues". I can't get the in game browser to work, and I can't use Captain's Quarters, on any of my installs.

I do also have an intermittent issue with the new launcher (sometimes I get the login area, sometimes I don't). If I just use it to patch and then launch the executable in the bin directory to run it everything is runs smoothly.
Katrina Bekers
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2013-11-15 11:39:12 UTC
Since some WINE 1.7.x development revisions, the issue with the IGB is solved.

The CQ is a known problem: it simply doesn't work, right now. It did in the very beginning, and occasionally you can be able to load it up to witness a shower of corrupted textures.

But the common wisdom in linux land is to give up trying to enter it, like CCP gave up working on it.

<< THE RABBLE BRIGADE >>
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#17 - 2013-11-21 17:47:38 UTC
Up until the Rubicon I had missing textures and the launcher would kill my vent. Im getting 40 FPS with no issues.

processor : 2
vendor_id : AuthenticAMD
cpu family : 16
model : 5
model name : AMD Athlon(tm) II X3 450 Processor
stepping : 3
microcode : 0x10000b6
cpu MHz : 3199.592
cache size : 512 KB

8GB ram with a GTS450.

Almost exactly the same performance as windows, but only on one client, but using twinview.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Doctor Deichscheich
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-11-23 16:42:05 UTC
From personal experience, I can recommend PlayOnLinux, it sets up EVE in its own wine environment and automatically tweaks dll overrides and such. With my 660Ti (until recently a 560, no noticeable difference) and i5 3570K @ 4.5GHz I get the same performance as in Windows - pretty smooth.

From time to time something minor like the IGB breaks, but it's fixed rather quickly by either wine or CCP every time. I'm still trying to run "Isk Per Hour" on wine, does anyone have any pointers?
Bayta Charante
#19 - 2013-12-10 00:57:31 UTC
Doctor Deichscheich wrote:
does anyone have any pointers?


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Sorry for the XKCD reference. SOMEONE HAD TO DO IT.

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LeMorted'Authur
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2014-01-19 02:37:05 UTC
Does anyone use Oracles VM to run eve on?

If so would that be better?

I am just very interested in setting up and wine wants to remove one of my python programs. The very program is the reason why I am on Linux over windows.

Flying it like you stole it, because half of the others in eve have. 
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