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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-09-13 15:28:17 UTC
Oliver Stoned wrote:
I would also add that the ice and ore site scanners be limited to mining ships.

Let the gankers scan it out or train an alt to fly a mining ship.

Ship scanners should be:
Combat sites for combat ships.
Mining sites for mining ships.



I think that ALL sites should require a scandown, for both parties, like it was before. Gives some advantages to both sides. Miners have to take time to find the sites (and are thus vulnerable to guys like me looking for you), and as long as your DSCAN is working, youll see my combat probes long before im able to pin you down.

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-09-13 15:58:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Leto Thule
Zabaidrian wrote:

Stuff


Edit: Posted draft copy -_-


Thanks for not taking differing opinion as a personal attack as so many people here do.

Give the ECM a try.. .trust me... a ganker cant wait for the jam cycle to finish... he has only seconds, and if you hit two in a row, he will be CONCORDed before he can fire two shots. If he is flashy, he may not even get one.

Ill mail you ingame tonight to discuss terms of you occupying our belts.

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Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-09-13 18:29:13 UTC
It's whiners like this that are ruining EVE. I mined in the beginning. Never got ganked. Know why??? I learned how to tank, orbit and use DScan....And Yes, I play in HighSec. How about you HTFU and actually play the game. You have all the tools needed to survive and prosper in this game.


Use ThemEvil

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Yi-Ming Gren
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2013-09-16 03:36:22 UTC
Zabaidrian wrote:
Red Templar wrote:
Yet another gank whine thread.

Eve is hard and brutal. Deal with it.


Please understand that I am NOT whining. I am pointing out that there are opportunities to improve the game mechanics like some have posted in this thread. This is about a healthy and constructive dialogue. Clearly there are issues when I high sec gate camp near Dodi can pop any ship they want (mostly Industrials) simply because they want to...



Reading it you start off whining, than you went constructive, but as ganking has been nerfed hard most gankers will read even that as whining.

"Clearly there are issues when I high sec gate camp near Dodi can pop any ship they want (mostly Industrials) simply because they want to" Nope that is called risk, Hi-sec is not safe, if it is pushed down that road (of being a non-pvp zone) than I suggest all rocks/ice be moved to low or null, otherwise the market will become trash. If you are running around with a expensive load of materials (10m+ or 1b+) they will target you, I will target you, and you are doing it wrong.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#25 - 2013-09-18 07:06:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
A Hulk is a death trap, you have a choice, move to certain regions in Amarr space that seem to be pretty gank free, or mine in a Skiff or at least a tanked Mackinaw. If you use an Orca, please use a bulkhead, DCU II in the lows and shield modules in the mids. The thing is that you can still be ganked even in a Skiff but they have to work for it and that is ok in my book!

EDIT: The thing is that the -10 Security Status should have repercussions, perhaps inability to use fitting services, that seems logical, anything more is likely to be game breaking for this.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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Crimson Gauntlet
Six Gun Sound
#26 - 2013-09-18 09:53:37 UTC
Quote:
I recently experienced a high-sec gank that I thought was a complete exploit


This told me all I needed to know about you, OP. I didn't even really need to read the part where you proposed ludicrously overpowered buffs to the kind of ships you (coincidentally, I am sure) happen to fly.

The fact of the matter is, that if your story is true, then you had to have ignored numerous reds in local. You were found guilty of the crime of absolute stupidity, and the sentence was confiscation of your ships. Unfortunately, when the tool of confiscation is Caldari Navy Antimatter shells, accidents do happen.

Have a nice day.
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Kiryen O'Bannon
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2013-09-18 15:32:12 UTC
Procurer:

High: 1x Strip Miner/Ice Harvester I (as appropriate)

Mid: 2x Medium Shield Extender II
2x Invulnerability Field II

Low: Reactor Control Unit II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Rigs: 1x Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
2x Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Drones: 5x Warrior II, set to aggressive

Never been suicide ganked. Deals with belt rats handily, and has almost 50,000 EHP with my skills. Get one.

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Sylphy
TSOE Po1ice
TSOE Consortium
#28 - 2013-09-20 14:07:41 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Suicide ganking is legitimate, intended gameplay. Hi-sec is in no way intended to be safe, and no profession should be immune from loss.

Mining in a Hulk is explicitly choosing to increase your gank risk in order to increase your income. Use a Skiff if you don't want to be bothered. The income will be lower; that's the price you pay for lowering your risk.


Those are all valid points. Personally, I still can't fathom the stupidity behind letting neg10 players actually get into high-sec systems. Shouldn't a criminal be stopped at shot at the gate? Oh wait, Concord and local police don't shoot pods, so I guess after I murder and mutilate several members of parliment, walking around naked will make me invisible to the local police force.

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Yi-Ming Gren
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2013-09-23 02:12:41 UTC
Sylphy wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Suicide ganking is legitimate, intended gameplay. Hi-sec is in no way intended to be safe, and no profession should be immune from loss.

Mining in a Hulk is explicitly choosing to increase your gank risk in order to increase your income. Use a Skiff if you don't want to be bothered. The income will be lower; that's the price you pay for lowering your risk.


Those are all valid points. Personally, I still can't fathom the stupidity behind letting neg10 players actually get into high-sec systems. Shouldn't a criminal be stopped at shot at the gate? Oh wait, Concord and local police don't shoot pods, so I guess after I murder and mutilate several members of parliament, walking around naked will make me invisible to the local police force.


You can gank the pod, in fact I cleared a belt on one of my first ganks, left one skiff alive before concord got my ship. Was not thinking about warping and the skiff got his drones on my pod. I sent him a good kill mail (because it was) when I got out of the test tube back at the space station. Even he got my pod, I lost next to nothing as my gank pilot I do not fit expensive implants or anything that does not help me boost my dps.

As for the walking around parliament naked, do you think the rest of parliament would sit around and do nothing (not run, attack, etc) while they watched members being killed? Well in most mine belts I fly in the miners do.
Dalmont Delantee
Gecko Corp
#30 - 2013-09-23 07:39:45 UTC
Hmmm I've not been suicide ganked ever when I've mined in high sec, all I can think is you are mining somewhere that has lots of people around so therefore they are targeting you....

Moving is a good plan then..
Yi-Ming Gren
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2013-09-24 01:00:09 UTC
Dalmont Delantee wrote:
Hmmm I've not been suicide ganked ever when I've mined in high sec, all I can think is you are mining somewhere that has lots of people around so therefore they are targeting you....

Moving is a good plan then..


Are you tanked? are you ever afk? do you fly a 200+ mining ship with a l2 or faction gear?

I mine in a system with 7 other people, 6 of them are mission runners. I keep local up and see all who come join our little area of space. I also keep scanning, and aligned to my dock, some call me paranoid I can it being safe. If I get ganked it is my fault, I either failed to notice the guy crawling up my tail pipe to get a way point on top of me or a was a sleep.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#32 - 2013-09-27 07:57:19 UTC
Zabaidrian wrote:
Dear CSM,

Stuff...

Things have gotten so bad recently that it is nearly a fruitless effort to mine or ice. Players wanting or needed raw materials need to create a fleet with combat and logistic support.

Some more arguablly silly stuff.

I look forward to your thoughts and those contributing to a better Eve.


Highlighted the bit that caught my eye. I don't see how this particular part is a bad thing. Think about it, miners needing combat and or logistic support creates demand for said support. Yes, guarding miners is about as boring as watching paint dry, so is mining. However, it also add sophistication and a little diversity to your mining ops. Adding EWAR guards and some scouts to the equation makes your little belt run more than just a bunch of livestock lining up at the local watering hole. If your corpies can't hack it, hire some mercs. Plus this idea, your idea by the way, encourages interaction with other players in the game and reinforces the whole MM part of MMO...

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Nofearion
Destructive Brothers
Fraternity.
#33 - 2013-09-27 15:18:33 UTC
I will not echo a lot of what has been said already,
I am an industrialist, I have had my issues with gankers.
I learned some harsh lessons.
I gained value from those lessons.
Gank encourages active play and interaction with others.
Naj Panora
The Seekers of Ore
#34 - 2013-09-29 03:30:06 UTC
There is a better answer to this problem, up the PG/CPU of exhumers and add 2 mid slots to them so an better tanks can be fitted. The core issue is that a t1 half ass fit ship can solo gank a t2 ship.
Yi-Ming Gren
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2013-10-01 01:10:33 UTC
Naj Panora wrote:
There is a better answer to this problem, up the PG/CPU of exhumers and add 2 mid slots to them so an better tanks can be fitted. The core issue is that a t1 half ass fit ship can solo gank a t2 ship.



I would love to see this T1 fit you are talking about. From what I have seen it take careful planning of training skills, and blasters, ammo, rigs for a single solo ganker to take a t2 mining ship in Hi-Sec before concord pops them. (I assume we are talking about mining ships, if we are talking mission runners or a hualer than they are really, really doing it wrong).
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2013-10-02 15:17:57 UTC
Zabaidrian wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Suicide ganking is legitimate, intended gameplay. Hi-sec is in no way intended to be safe, and no profession should be immune from loss.

Mining in a Hulk is explicitly choosing to increase your gank risk in order to increase your income. Use a Skiff if you don't want to be bothered. The income will be lower; that's the price you pay for lowering your risk.


1 - I have perfect skills with all forms of material extraction, incluing ship bonuses
2 - I ALWAYS fit a tank on all my ships
3 - I own and use a Skiff that is heavily tanked

I have seen pilots in Deninard lose their Skiffs to ganks... Even with a logistics support and in a group of Skiffs there is still an issue in high-sec. Please explain how a gang can pop a Skiff with an EHP of 88k before the Navy/CONCORD can take "appropriate" action (gank situation). Again, reinstating the +2 warp strength the Skiff once had would be a great place to start.

All material extraction pilots, including myself, have accepted the reduced (dare I say diminished) yields in order to survive.

What are your thoughts?


If it was possible to mine in high sec with zero risk of being ganked then the people that build mining ships would go bankrupt.
If all ships were perfectly safe then the need for ore would have vanished years ago and there would be no miners. What you are asking for is unreasonable.

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