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Transitioning from CareBear to Killer

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Aesheera
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-10-02 10:54:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Aesheera
Chest beating in newbee Q&A.

My god, desperate.

EDIT: not aimed at the OP's post, rather the follow up posts that result in utter thread derailment.

- I think my passion is misinterpreted as anger sometimes. And I don't think people are ready for the message that I'm delivering, and delivering with a sense of violent love.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-10-02 15:05:01 UTC
"Feyd, do I need any pvp experience or skills to win this spot? Isn't it hard to pvp? I'm a little intimidated by the whole idea of pvp actually..."

Absolutley not. I prefer taking newer players who have never pvp'd before, and quickly turning them into top-ranked lethal killers. Like previous graduates you will quite frankly be shocked at how quickly you are solo popping bling ships.

Would you like to know more?
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-10-02 21:18:31 UTC
Wardec me, show me your honoure.
Gallastian Khanid
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2013-10-03 02:41:34 UTC
'Favorite Prey:Capsule'
'Favorite Ship:Legion'

More power to you that you're training new players, but your boasts about K/D ratios imply to me that you teach risk averse cowardice over PVP. Those killboards would look far more impressive to me with ~10X as many losses and half as many mining vessels/herons/pods.

To each their own.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-10-03 15:35:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Gallastian Khanid wrote:
'Favorite Prey:Capsule'
'Favorite Ship:Legion'

More power to you that you're training new players, but your boasts about K/D ratios imply to me that you teach risk averse cowardice over PVP. Those killboards would look far more impressive to me with ~10X as many losses and half as many mining vessels/herons/pods.

To each their own.


Cowardice? There's this little invention at the bottom of most killboards, called a page/scroll button. Using it allows people to do complete research before talking out of their asses.

Don't confuse what people sometimes do, with all they can do (or teach)... If you call making engagement decisions wisely (rather than handing over losses on a whim) cowardice, then I am proud to be one.

Would you like to know more?
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#26 - 2013-10-03 18:02:22 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Gallastian Khanid wrote:
'Favorite Prey:Capsule'
'Favorite Ship:Legion'

More power to you that you're training new players, but your boasts about K/D ratios imply to me that you teach risk averse cowardice over PVP. Those killboards would look far more impressive to me with ~10X as many losses and half as many mining vessels/herons/pods.

To each their own.


Cowardice? There's this little invention at the bottom of most killboards, called a page/scroll button. Using it allows people to do complete research before talking out of their asses.

Don't confuse what people sometimes do, with all they can do (or teach)... If you call making engagement decisions wisely (rather than handing over losses on a whim) cowardice, then I am proud to be one.


A couple of points:

@ Feyd: None of the linked kills are all that impressive, but perhaps there is a story that gives you pride. I would be proud of the solo vigilant kill, although I really question the circumstances of that fight (as the vigi looks pretty fail for PvP). In the rest of the fights, it appears your gang outnumbers your opponent and generally has superior ships to boot.

@ Gallastian: If you look at my BC info, it says my favorite prey is capsules too. This is not an indication that I'm a risk adverse player that only engages under favorable conditions. I take personal enjoyment entering engagements as the "underdog" and fighting well (be it win or loss). I agree that K/D ratios are generally poor stats to measure PvP prowess, and look much more at engagement types, giving much more credence to Solo and Small gang PvP'ers. We really need an "average number of pilots per kill" stat, and in many ways BC's rank system provides that, by scaling the points you earn on a kill by the number of players on the kill and the ships involved. It is far from perfect, but Feyd's KB looks indicative of a decent pilot. I know nothing of his personality though.

Finally, I'm glad he's taking on a mentor. Teaching other players the in's and out's of PvP tactics and game mechanics is something that should be applauded and encouraged. Thank you for helping players out, and if it something you plan to continue to do, providing an avenue for your "apprentices" to give public feedback would go a long way towards enhancing your credibility. Much more so than any KB link.
Gallastian Khanid
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2013-10-03 18:08:54 UTC
Oh I scrolled through. Lets look in detail at the first page:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Feyd+Rautha+Harkonnen

20 kills. Of them, there's a poorly fit Cyclone (Which took you 2 Legions to kill), the Vigilant you linked (which you killed flying Cynabal, Tengu, Vindicator, Phobos vs his Vigilant, Cynabal, and his poor fitting skills imply to me that he is a terrible pilot), a mediocre fit Stabber Fleet Issue you blobbed with much higher numbers, and a Fweddit gank Caty that stumbled into a fleet fight. The rest are trash like a mining Bhallgorn or partially fit mission runners or miners.

So actually, you're far worse than I thought you were.

Here is what an interesting fight looks like:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=19831833

CO2 set up sniper BC's 70km off our in gate with a blob of tackle sitting at zero. They also had an Arazu and a Rapier sitting close to the gate. We jumped in, built transversal, lost a couple dudes to alpha, then forced their Arazu through the gate and cleared their tackle so we could maneuver. We lost our first FC to sniper alpha and switched target callers. In the mean time, our tackle burned in and bubbled their snipers.

Having cleared tackle and gotten through the gate, we burned in on the hostile snipers, tackling and killing some and forcing the rest off. CO2 warped in at a bookmark to snipe again and we burned in, sacrificing my Talos to alpha to close quickly and get tackle again, continuing the slaughter.

I could link you 50 similar fights with a dozen interesting fleet concepts.

We faced a competent opponent (CO2 are pretty solid pilots on average. See their AT success.) set up as he wanted to be who could actually harm us, took the fight, and used decision making and piloting ability to come out ahead. What you're doing is using covert eyes, numbers, and isk to come out ahead against mining bhaalgorns, then typing about it on the forums like its anything special.

You are just another highsec carebear. Instead of farming asteroids or NPCs you're farming idiots who don't know how to fit or fly. If you do see the chance at a challenging fight, you will invariably run away rather than enjoy it or learn from it because of your precious ~killboard stats~. Your stats do tell me everything I need to know about you, but its not the message you want to hear. That's why you are terrible at Eve PvP and why you will always be terrible at Eve PvP.

I'm going to reiterate: Never post again. Don't have children. Its just better for humanity that way.
Gallastian Khanid
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-10-03 18:10:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallastian Khanid
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Gallastian Khanid wrote:
'Favorite Prey:Capsule'
'Favorite Ship:Legion'

More power to you that you're training new players, but your boasts about K/D ratios imply to me that you teach risk averse cowardice over PVP. Those killboards would look far more impressive to me with ~10X as many losses and half as many mining vessels/herons/pods.

To each their own.


Cowardice? There's this little invention at the bottom of most killboards, called a page/scroll button. Using it allows people to do complete research before talking out of their asses.

Don't confuse what people sometimes do, with all they can do (or teach)... If you call making engagement decisions wisely (rather than handing over losses on a whim) cowardice, then I am proud to be one.


A couple of points:

@ Feyd: None of the linked kills are all that impressive, but perhaps there is a story that gives you pride. I would be proud of the solo vigilant kill, although I really question the circumstances of that fight (as the vigi looks pretty fail for PvP). In the rest of the fights, it appears your gang outnumbers your opponent and generally has superior ships to boot.

@ Gallastian: If you look at my BC info, it says my favorite prey is capsules too. This is not an indication that I'm a risk adverse player that only engages under favorable conditions. I take personal enjoyment entering engagements as the "underdog" and fighting well (be it win or loss). I agree that K/D ratios are generally poor stats to measure PvP prowess, and look much more at engagement types, giving much more credence to Solo and Small gang PvP'ers. We really need an "average number of pilots per kill" stat, and in many ways BC's rank system provides that, by scaling the points you earn on a kill by the number of players on the kill and the ships involved. It is far from perfect, but Feyd's KB looks indicative of a decent pilot. I know nothing of his personality though.

Finally, I'm glad he's taking on a mentor. Teaching other players the in's and out's of PvP tactics and game mechanics is something that should be applauded and encouraged. Thank you for helping players out, and if it something you plan to continue to do, providing an avenue for your "apprentices" to give public feedback would go a long way towards enhancing your credibility. Much more so than any KB link.


You are a much kinder man than me.

E:Also friend, please notice that you kill those capsules in nullsec, where bubbles mean they are automatic freebies after a normal kill. He kills those capsules in highsec, which means a combination of gimmicky, high scan res fit and terrible opponents who don't know to warp their pod off. The context changes the meaning of that statistic a great deal.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#29 - 2013-10-03 18:34:16 UTC
Gallastian Khanid wrote:

You are a much kinder man than me.

E:Also friend, please notice that you kill those capsules in nullsec, where bubbles mean they are automatic freebies after a normal kill. He kills those capsules in highsec, which means a combination of gimmicky, high scan res fit and terrible opponents who don't know to warp their pod off. The context changes the meaning of that statistic a great deal.


You are very right, context matters, and the circumstances around the fight matter. Killboards only give a glimpse of what really happened, that it is important to have the narrative if you want to "distinguish" yourself. Blogs and forums for feedback are excellent means to gain this.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-10-03 19:31:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Original offer stands, if someone wants to learn pvp mechanics in the comfort of hisec and blow lots of (blingy) stuff up in the process, I am seeking an apprentice. Twisted

My killboard and success of previous two apprenti' speaks for itself, despite attempts by people with inadequacy issues trying to start an epeen measuring competition and derail a thread that seeks to *help* others. Its for the silent reader to measure who's motivations are more honorable, me seeking to help newbs learn pvp, or self-esteem failures trying to tear others down for doing so...

Here's a taste.

F

Would you like to know more?
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-10-04 06:05:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Chopper Rollins
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Original offer stands, if someone wants to learn pvp mechanics in the comfort of hisec and blow lots of (blingy) stuff up in the process, I am seeking an apprentice. Twisted

My killboard and success of previous two apprenti' speaks for itself, despite attempts by people with inadequacy issues trying to start an epeen measuring competition and derail a thread that seeks to *help* others. Its for the silent reader to measure who's motivations are more redonkulous, me seeking to gratify myself rather than grow, or awesome people making a complete fool of me and my lugubrious roleplaying for doing so...

Here's a taste.

F


Bolded the bit i fixed
o7

EDIT:from the blog;"While not 'secret' knowledge per se', the use of transversals in game is closely kept knowledge shared amongst experienced PVP'ers. I'm sharing it here in easy to follow terms as a reward to my blog followers."

Yep, i crapped a kidney, that's just...wow.

Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2013-10-04 06:13:20 UTC
Would just like to Point out to the F1 crowd here...

Somebody has to ruffle the Herds a bit in Highsec.

Keep it up Feyd.. always good to see somebody actually trying to help others. Other than ridicule...

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#33 - 2013-10-04 14:14:30 UTC
OK, thread locked.


Firstly, several posts in this thread are in violation of rule #34:
"34. Posting of kill reports outside of the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited.

More often than not, posts of this nature are made with inflammatory intent and are designed to promote trolling and flaming. Therefore, the posting of links to kill reports from any third party site, or the direct copy-pasting of kill reports from in game is prohibited on all forum channels of the EVE Online Forums, with the exception of the Crime & Punishment Channel.
Specific rules regarding the omission of pilot names apply in this instance. Further details can be found in the rules stickies in the Crime & Punishment forum channel."


Secondly, I am not liking where this thread went. It turned into a exercise to see who has the biggest killboard bragging rights.

So, take this elsewhere, but not in the New Citizens section.

ISD Cura Ursus

Lieutenant Commander

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department
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