Jita Park Speakers Corner

Well, first of all, blaming the Goons is every EVE player's inalienable right. Even goons blame the Goons.

I am sure that more info will be forthcoming about the HiSec POCO's and the community will get a chance to provide input. One concern I have is that I don't want the mechanic to provide inherent advantages to groups of a particular size (either large or small).

CSM does know more about the feature than is public. We also know that things can be tweaked based on community concerns, which is why we encourage devs to put stuff on the forums as soon as possible, so you have the context needed to give good feedback.

And you folks have my thanks for that.
Alright, lets wait for further information to get published - maybe it's not that bad when revealed in details.

CCP Soundwave was once a goon.

CCP Soundwave was the originator of this idea, to the best of my knowledge. It's something he is on record as having said he wanted to do as far as two or three years back.

So, yes, you should blame the goons.

To address the rest of your post - by definition, highsec is now a player controlled area, with regards to the pocos at least. If PI is literally the only reason you were in nullsec in the first place, you may opt to return to highsec, yes. Or you may not. I suggest you wait for more details to make that judgement.

It will be a nice mix of Hamburger Hills (the POCOs around Jita) and nice small objectives (minor trade hubs and high sec alliance HQ systems)

I am personally excited about this idea, but as always the devil is in the details.

I think more Player Owned infrastructure is a good thing overall.

I like the idea of having nullsec entities being a part of the mix, and having some ownership of assets and some form of "sov" in highsec.

Bounties on structures is pretty exciting.

As a note on my perspective: while I spend most of my time in pvp these days, I do PI on the side for additional income.

I am concerned with:

- No suspect flag when taking down a soon to be Interbus CO
- High Sec lockouts based on standings.
- Potential for very high taxes to effectively kill PI at that station
- War Dec Fees scaling large alliance "Dec Shield" (Although I honestly don't think it's as big of a deal as many do.)
- PI is kind of a pain anyway. Hassling people who do this is likely to make them quit doing this.
- Most of the problems aren't much of an issue on a small scale. But when a group or cartel can consolidate enough control in an area they can do a lot of damage. Some of this is a desirable "emergent gameplay", too much can be quite disruptive and lead to unhappy playerbase and unsubs.

Some recommendations I'd like to CSM champion:

- Suspect flags for anyone shooting at an Interbus CO
- Free trade regulations for high sec: No lockouts and Sensible maximums for owner tax rates
- Consider not doing this with all COs at once. Do it by sec status .5 first, then .6... etc. Less disruption and less likely to get a mass unsub from PI industrialists.
- Consider leaving .9 & 1.0 POCOs in CONCORD hands as a safety valve and for a place for new players to try PIE without dealing with the POCO Cartels (if those occur).
- Consider having Interbus auction off POCOs instead of just letting them be destroyed. (Better for immersion for me don't really understand why CONCORD and Interbus would allow these assets be blown up in highsec. Potentially killing anyone that tries to defend them, if you don't give suspect flags!?!?). With this proposal Interbus POCOs might actually have CONCORD protection. Auction mechanism could be reused to allow people to sell POCOs or possibly even other structures and installations.
- Multi-POCOs: Allow a second (third? Fourth?) POCO to be set up per planet. Either new POCO waits for a time before considered THE POCO if not burned away, or the players can simply choose which POCO to use.
- Improve PI while you are at this. Even just an "Apply" button on that "You have unapplied changes: Discard/Cancel" dialog would be a nice addition.
- Factory planets have always bothered me (why do I need to pull things out of a gravity well send them back down and then pull the results back up again? Horribly inefficient), and they become more of a problem getting that higher tier output to launch to avoid POCOs. I'd like to have the equivalent of Advanced and High-Tech processing facilities in space, as POS or station services.
- Consider buffing launch pad capabilities. Not so that it exceeds POCO of course just tighten the gap so that there it's a more viable safety valve (like alchemy for tech).
- Require at least non-negative standing to erect POCOs or perhaps some positive standing like POS, but not as high. POCO Reverts to standard if corp erecting it falls out of standing.
- POCO Fuel. Charters? Cheap Fuel that needs replenished now and again or the POCO reverts to standard CO behavior. Keeps the POCOs from becoming passive hands off money prints.
- Remove or lessen NPC tax. Or increase reduction skill? Overhead stands fairly likely to strangle PI unless you happen to own the POCO.

Possibly more recommendations to follow, but those the ones that come to mind at this point, several of them picked up from others in the feedback thread.

To recap: I think this is a great idea. I think some of the details need some careful reconsideration. I do think there is a lot of potential to really make the game more interesting, but could also go very poorly if the design isn't right.

Added italicized recommendations to my post above.

Now that I've read the devblog, this proposal seem not that scary. Indeed, they will lower the tax from 10% to about 5% which hurts PI activity in dangerous zones (lowsec, null and WH), but it's not lethal.

What I'm still concerned about is that CCP is ready to reduce the reward for nullsec players (for whatever reason). We've seen moonmat rebalance ("tech nerf"), now these POCOs. While those things could be positive for the game overall, this trend is what makes me think about heading back to hisec, mynnna.

I think that was a pretty good list of suggestions, this is my list:

- Shooting any POCO makes you a suspect unless you have war decced the owning corp/alliance
- Allow multiple POCO's around planets
- Improve Launching
- Add advanced factories to all planets

The suggestion to make shooting any POCO with a war dec give you a individual suspect flag is so that people can shoot POCO's out of the way and also people can defend them. Shooting them for lol's would be quite dangerous if you picked the wrong person.

The multiple POCO suggestion is so that there is competition around taxes and a way to get around cartels without resorting to wielding the biggest blob.

Launching enables people to stop using the customs office at the price of more effort

I would like advanced factories being possible on all planet types, I really hate having to move stuff around and get taxed so much, in fact it was that that recently put me in the cannot be bothered to do PI anymore along with the fact I had built up my strategic stock of POS fuel to truly huge levels...

I think letting corps control POCO's is a very good idea, but the war dec cost on someone like the Goons is a killer, am I really going to war dec the Goons to be able to shoot a POCO in Nani for example, nope... And on the other side of things if you make it so people get a suspect flag shooting POCO's the Goons will get so many RF timers that they would have to think carefully just what they want to do with POCO's.

When I suggested in anotehr thread that the suspect flag be applied someone said that would mean that a fleet would be able to be attacked individually,if that is what they want then war dec the corp and no issue.

Thank you for your exacting standards and review of the details. Hopefully when others propose things that trample on the lifestyle of wormhole dwellers they give you the same level consideration.

And yes the proper subtext for this is screw you and the wormholes you live in.

You'd think that someone that is a representative for a lifestyle that often needs defending, would be a little less blythe about cheerfully accepting a plan that has the residents of the area that it effects directly deeply concerned.

Makes me want to cheerfully lobby for wormhole stabilizers. Great for high sec mercs, null empiralists and other pew pew people!