Intergalactic Summit

Dano Gheinok didn't recognise the existence of an autonomous Khanid Kingdom, and neither did Amash Akura or any of the other saints that you mention.

Does that mean that you consider the Khanid Kingdom to be an indecent and treasonous body?

And since Dano Gheinok did not acknowledge the teachings of St Tetrimon, presumably you consider them to be a load of cobblers as well?

Your whole argument so far is basically that you're right and everyone who disagrees with you (ie the Theology Council, the Privy Council and the Empress) is wrong.

Except that the people you're disagreeing with have spent lifetimes praying, meditating and studying Scripture, while you're so incompetent that you couldn't even have your way with one of the least-picky women of easy pleasure in the cluster

Wow. She's crazier than Rodj.

Truth hurts.

-Eran

I admire you for the ability to put what she said in so simple, yet elegant words that are right to the point, Admiral Blake!

The Emperor Gheinok also did not fight his wars in Titans. Titans whose plans are a part of our scripture. The scriptures are expanded as the mission of God matures and more divine revelations occur. This is how it has always been. The Theology Council's job is to decide which of the new passages are genuine and to make sure that the various branches of the faith do not develop heretical practices.

The heresy that attempts to impose an unchanging and static scripture on the Amarrian people are one of the larger threats to Amarrian society. The end result of the argument is that the Scriptures become a dead document that cannot be updated as the mission of God for the Amarrian People requires.

There was a time when a council of Apostles was the God designated ruling body for Amarr. That time has long passed. Have you forgotten Khanid's ancestors fought *against* said Council of Apostles during the Moral Reforms and the very nature of his state is not supported by the Tetrimon's version of scripture? Khanid may tolerate the Tetrimon, but he does not support their theology.

We live in a society blessed by the direct divine support. God's hand is just as active today as it was thousands of years ago, and accordingly it is our God given duty as a rightly guided people to record the continued evidence of the hand of God in our world. To declare the scriptures a finished document is to deny that God is still working in this world.

Truth is what I have to gain. Has the quest for truth and virtue a place within the ranks of PIE Inc.? Or have your hearts and minds become entirely sclerotic? You can ask your cherished admiral how he replied to a very kind and conciliatory letter my sister sent him. Ask him how he reacted to her offer that aimed at mitigating this conflict. I fear that the obdurateness within certain factions of the Empire has reached a painful spike, so that being “reactionary”—which translates to being tolerant and benevolent—is the only possible answer. Your well respected allies have never declared someone a heretic on the basis of slander.

Where exactly did I state that the plan which God laid down for our society is related to the way we should deal with technology? Technological progress is a mere instrument, we need it for practical, but not for spiritual purposes. The divine plan for our society however, is not a simple tool for salvation, but a sanctified and eternal order which should not be changed out of political reasons—and there has not been a single reason for the implementation of the Theology Council which wasn’t political in its essence.

I agree: the divine revelation continues. And we haven’t been ordered to establish a Theology Council. The requirements of our sanctified and traditional order are still standing.

I pray for you that God returns to your heart, for it saddens me to see it so abandoned,
Odelya

Hmm. From this:

"In the beginning all things were as one.
God parted them and breathed life into his creation
Divided the parts and gave each its place
And unto each, bestowed purpose"
- The Scriptures, Book I 1:4

This hints at a predestined purpose for every thing, and if i am not mistaken, is one of the most important verses in the whole of the Scriptures? For many years, I have wrestled with this bit, as it is so similar to ours. God gives every thing purpose. It is HIS work that guides life, and guides us. To go against this purpose is to go against God. It says nothing about God's personal attachment to His creation, nor about it being at all difficult for him to create; he simply desired it, and it was. This is in line with the Amarrian view of God as a being of supreme power and limitless ability; he wished it, and so it was.

To this:

Within this nothingness
I know very clearly
The directions and the points
Of every possible location

I forge my wisdom
Into an arc surrounding all
I forge my heartbeat
Into a heavens-wide sphere

Translated from Sebiestor, where the alliteration and rhyme holds

And this is a small excerpt from a much larger body who's name, and the bulk of the content, have been lost to time. This piece - 68 lines are extant- is named Perkunjasungaa, which translates to "Skyforger's song". If one does, indeed, acknowledge that we all came from some common origin, the difference becomes even more striking. The Skyforger knows the place and purpose things shall take, but it never says anything about that purpose being his decision; he literally created the universe, set it in motion, and sits back to watch. To go against our purpose is to go against creation, NOT against him in particular. We all have a part we SHOULD play, but that part is dictated by the universe and our part in it, not by the single divinity. The Skyforger has some attachment to what he has crafted, and it was not as simple for him as it was for God - he had to put his wisdom and his heart into it, a saying which is somewhat akin to "His blood, sweat, and tears".

Of course, all Minmatar do not practice the same religion. And, of course, the above was written - we think - because it was inspired by the religion, the work is not the basis for the religion. Yet another difference.

Anyway, interesting. Thank you for the debate you all had regarding your God's omnipotence, or lack thereof. Similarities are striking, but the differences are far moreso.

Carry on!

You did not. But you should have.

Records of divinely inspired technological advancement is a part of our scriptures, the technology with which we fight our wars is as much a part of the Amarrian faith as any other practice.

Societal structures are also a form of technology. They change based on size and conditions. When God requires that Amarrian society change, it will change as required, and the new revelations that led to this development will after a great deal of vetting enter the library of scriptures. This is how it has always worked and our willingness to follow when God calls is why the Amarr are the Chosen of God.

The Tetrimonic argument would have us fail to add direct revelations from God to the scriptures. That would be evil. It is an argument that the very life of our society, the direct connection of everything into the correct way of life that is Amarr, needs to stop evolving and that we need to step away from the ever changing demands of God's plan for Amarr. That would be stepping away from the true path.

Also your attempts to separate the political and the spiritual demonstrate that the Gallente cancer has invaded your thoughts about religion.

The two are not separable and cannot be separable. All acts are either religious acts or anti-religious. The only question regarding the rightness of any act is whether it is in accordance with the will of God. Political acts can be rightly guided. They can also work against Amarr. What matters is not the label political, but only whether or not the act is holy.

We have the Empress to lead us and destiny to follow. We cannot do wrong so long as we follow the will of God's chosen ruler of Amarr.

Given that I'm not Amarrian, it would be difficult for a group of mostly True Amarr who were born and raised in the Empire to be less Amarrian than I.



You appear to be a Khanid woman claiming to be Amarrian while insulting another Khanid for wanting the Kingdom to be Amarrian, as evidenced by said Khanid working for a megacorp.

That can't be right though because that makes no sense.