Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think there is enough space in Eve-Online, and other people looking for fights, that an increase in that domain isn't necessary.

Although from a "middle ground" perspective if you are somehow driven out of a roleplaying sense of galactic continuity, the transisition from 0.6 to 0.4, then allow -10.0 criminals in 0.5 but do not change anything else (concord still nasty if a player in good standing is attacked). Just think of all those criminals you could attack in the safety of high sec without being concorded...... ;-) heheheh (hint: its a trap!). It would bring back the bounty profession, maybe, and invite a few 0.5 sec skirmishes between those parties.

Not to mention for the -10.0 people they get access to a few high sec goods without having to switch to logistics alt. I see this as better for pvp'rs all around, and high-sec bears have more consumers for their goods and the sensation of being in a 'dangerous' system with so many suspicious individuals in local. Gankings would probably go up, but not due to any reductions in concord itself.

I dunno, this idea is kind of half thought up. Don't actually implement it as is :)

A good middle ground would be to have CONCORD react with swift, inescapable, overwhelming force in 1.0 to 0.7 as at present, and to see them use substantial but not overwhelming or inescapable force in 0.5-0.6. Just like gate/station guns in lowsec, but everywhere in the system.

Sorry, couldn't help myself. Calling a gank a fight really made me laugh.

Now if you had called it a mugging I'd have been OK with that.

Translation: "I'm bad at ganking. Please CCP help me."

And to contribute something:
Why would you like to force your playstyle onto other players?

That kind of works too, but I kind of like the idea that firing on someone in 0.5+ space will cost you your ship. Keep the gates and stations locked until the pilot dies, warp scram him, and make sure the DPS is just high enough that no one could permatank it, then it works.

EDIT: I am sorry for my original reply, I misread what you said.

Except 0.5 systems ARE more dangerous because the gankers have more time to gank someone before concord shows up. This lowers the overhead cost of each gank, which means they can make more profit from each successful gank. There's a reason why you don't see many ganks in a 1.0 system compared to a 0.5.

I understand the mechanic, and all I am saying is that the difference should be greater. Were I disagree is that you say the systems ARE more dangerous. They are not. Ganking in a 0.5 is so skewed right now that gankers only ever go for huge juicy targets. I am saying that it should be easy enough that players flying around in a random ship have a decent chance of being ganked just for the heck of it. As it stands now, you could get in a ship, fly around 0.5 systems all day long every day for your entire Eve life, and unless you are carrying something crazy valuable in your cargo, no one will touch you.

200 mil isk mackinaws are now high value targets?



Now go autopilot that same T1 cruiser through populated lowsec and see how many 1-2 man catalyst gangs attack you.

EDIT: Then do the same going through nulsec and see how many 1-2 man catalyst gangs attack you.

My point is, your example with autopiloting a cruiser through a 0.5 system is a bad one. 1-2 destroyers will not attack a halfway decently tanked cruiser in a 0.4 because of gate and station guns. This is not true in 0.0 because there are no guns. That is the escalation in danger for the various systems. In fact the number of gate guns even varies based off of the security status of the system the guns are protecting (There are more guns per gate in a 0.4 system vs a 0.1 system).

I was pointing out there is an escalation because your specific example used autopiloting through lowsec on a cruiser. The 1-2 destroyers I used was because catalysts are usually what is used during a suicide gank.

Your OP basically states that you want to nerf 0.5 and 0.6 systems because there is no difference between a 1.0 system to a 0.5 system. There in fact is a massive difference between those systems from the near instant concord response time in a 1.0 system, to the roughly 20 seconds you have during a gank in a 0.5 system.

If concord was to be eliminated in a 0.5 system, and faction police brought into both 0.4 and 0.5 systems to act as concord, trade between the major trade hubs would become virtually impossible because the large corporations would simply camp the gates with logi support and tank the faction police to complete a gank, then warp off. As a result, they wouldn't even lose their ships, thereby changing 0.5 systems into lowsec for large corporations that can field logi fleets, while screwing the smaller corps in the game that can't field the needed support ships to travel through 0.5.

You cannot tell me that with all the 0.5 bottlenecks in the game, this would not be exploited.