EVE General Discussion

For us, yes, for them? Not so much...

When I started there was no green safety button, yet there was a time I came upon a wreck that had some juicy loot. I took it and ran like hell and hid till my timer ran out. I knew very well what the consequences were without needing some warning to pop up. In fact I remember asking on rookie chat about who could shoot at me before I swiped the loot. Actually I was only confirming what I already knew as that topic came up regularly ( several times an hour) in rookie chat. Yes EVE has a lot to learn and is difficult, but the tools are there if you choose to use them.

If they attack you unprovoked, you can blast em out of the sky.

However if you bait them into it, that's a no no.

The funny thing is that most real noobs most likely would not even know what a petition was .

I got killed 3 times within my first hour (a guy in the newb channel asked for some "Help" moving some stuff from a Can) but I did not even learn that i could have petitioned it until months and months later and I did not care because all I lost saw a few noob ships.

If you know enough to raise a petition and set your dot to yellow then you know enough to die (and were not guided into it by the offender).

If a new player attacks you without you tricking them or similar (being flagged in a noob system, leaving cans around encouraging them to take the items and so on) you are free to do whatever you want with them since you dident purposely set them up to getting into a fight they cant win.

They explained things in more detail here, and this particular section also covers using alts to try and get someone banned.
""My enemy is making rookie alts and harassing me into shooting them. Will I get banned for attacking them?"
No (at least not outside rookie systems). Should a warning or ban have been placed in such a situation for any reason, you can and absolutely should contest that. Customer support does not look kindly upon being manipulated against its own customers."

I would assume the same rule applies to non alts.
The system is in place to protect new players from griefing, not to give new players (or alts) a way to freely harass other players knowing they cant retaliate out of fear of getting banned. At least thats my understanding of it.

Those 2% are the best though. Need more people willing to shoot all the things instead of whine about all the things shooting them.

Well the only scenario i can think of is if a player would be a valid (legal) target from stealing would be if they stole something from another player in highsec. To do that, they need to manually set their safety to amber, before being able to take the cargo from a player owned container.

Of course, if a more seasoned player tricked them into doing this (EG: Please can you help me move my cargo, I havn't got enough space on my ship) then yes, I would (personally) lean sympathy a little more toward the fresh player. However, rookie or otherwise, they have to wonder "could this scenario harm me in any way?" If you cannot say "no" straight away, it probably could.

The fact you're a noob in Eve and don't know the GAME mechanics doesn't necessarily mean you're new to MMO games and petitions. Some things are pretty universal, you know.

Also, in my experience (and I AM a noob), there's ALWAYS guys with over a year's worth of SP hanging around the tutorial areas with a suspect flag, trolling for victims. And then there's the locked cans sitting there with 'free stuff for noobs'. Which, if you don't know any better, you just might try to open with that nice gear your tutorial just gave you.

You might all have forgotten how it is, but there's an astonishing amount of stuff to learn about EVE, and it can be quite overwhelming. And you need to be either pretty damn paranoid or prewarned to avoid all the pitfalls.

Correct. The fact that they took the initiative to shoot at someone is incredibly healthy for everyone, and this game.