EVE General Discussion

I don't recall that titan story but I do remember an interview with that millionaire from the old DRF who said a Director of a group was going to have someone go over and cut the lines at a rival group's FCs house or the like. He wasn't that amused at the idea.

*in theory* you can bounce a single connection from a game server like described but it wouldn't be easy to pick one out without IP addresses and the like (plus control of something along the route -or- spamming that single connection). This wouldn't be that easy to do/get details to do for most people.

Odds are this incident was something like a client hick-up that caused the disconnect and we're getting the Tin Foil Hat Conspiracy going.

+1 for not whining.

That surprised me a little bit.

I don't know if it would even be possible to disconnect one client only from a multiboxing player. A DDOS attack would likely shut them all down.
btw, I did realize that disconnects happen more frequently when you run multiple clients. But then they all disconnect.

Why would you jump a jump freighter into highsec while at war?

I don't follow you at all. Do you know something about the power cutting thing?

A conditional real world value of the ship is relevant to the discussion to the degree the that a meta hack was employed and what you feel the other player deprived you of outside of game rules. However, CCP has no obligation, other than the extent they believe theier $ spent on customer service righting known issues helps improve the game and retain customers("known" is a huge issue here)

The CONDITIONAL rl $ is relevant to support that "this is a big enough deal to take some GM time to examine - if only to dig in and find a glitch to save other players the trouble"

But :

Cost /= value .. ...
- even with stocks Analysts qualify the word value :

"Market Value", "Intrisic Value" , " Book Value" , "Enterprise Valuer" , and there are valuations base on Price/Growth ratios. IRR on EBITD income and many more

You can't just say "this stock is worth $" as a stock analyst.. you might be able to say it as some glib imprecise talking head.. but even they qualify things.

You can't just say "This Jump Freighter is worth $195" and be talking as a rational and informed person if you're not willing to qualify your statement.

Nor can people be rational to say that an ingame obeject has no $ value to anyone.

Truth: "Within the CCP TOS, a player should assume no real world $ for ingame assets"

True: "There is 195$ real world value for a _GIVEN person who has just bought 13 plex at $15 dollars to purchase a jump freighter , especially if the freighter were destroyed and they would use $ again to replace it"

True: "The black market value of plex is about $5 a plex, giving the Jump Freighter a Black-Market-RMT Value of $65
(law enforcement quotes the "street value" of illegal drugs seized all the time... denying there is an "illegal"(against T.O.S.) RMT-value

True: "There is $ value to ISK based on a "Lotto Value" to players who have all intent of staying within the TOS, and also would never use $ to buy plex . ( A lotto value with full knowledge that CCP has a right to devalue any an all of my holdings or seize them upon TOS vilotions. My "$ lotto value" for me might be about $3 per plex and based on my percieved odds that CCP might oneday allow me to convert my ISK/Plex in game assets into a RL asset like, T-Shirts or a Play-station 3, or the like (they do allow plex to be used for convention entrance, which I will never avail myself of.. so that does not factor into "Diomedes Lotto Value"


It really bothers me that people on this forum and also most non intellectuals in real life, are very reluctant to aknowledge and accept the conditional strenghts of an opposing point of view.

Aknowledging the situational validity of an argument does not mean you must compromise your own perception of which conditional statments you feel are relevant.

"you're 100% right , but your point is irrelevant to my decision making process. Here is the explanation upon which we will base our actions"

Also, an opinion stated without a wall of text explanation is worthless to me.

I have conversations because I'm interested in a subject and want to contemplate the subject in a good bit of depth.

I can't believe no one has pointed this out yet, but this is grossly inaccurate information.

A capsuleer log-off timer starts (and re-starts) every-time your ship is aggressed by another player, it is 15 minutes long and can be triggered even if you are logged out.

Meaning.

JF jumps through gate -> Disconnects during session change -> Begins to e-warp -> is tackled by war-target before warp -> Dies too war target before they can log back in.

This system is the way it is for a reason, if ship could just logofski and disappear while agressed, you would have people pulling the power cable out of their modems in order to save titans and stupid **** like that.




As I have never had a server-side disconnect except MAYBE a few random times when I had two clients open, one in space, one in station, and the station one DCed for no clear reason, I am a bit skeptical of this.

CCP has a pretty decent track record of reinbursing ships that are blatantly because of server-side problems. Such as that super-cap fleet that got killed while stuck in the jump animation during a station bash during the fountain war. AFAIK all of those ultimately got reinbursed.