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Command Ships : heavy prerequisite skills
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Janos Minitaur
Reisende des Schwarzschild Grenze
#1 - 2013-10-01 19:42:12 UTC
Hi

There is something I do not understand : When I look at the EOS description I see :

Command Ships skill bonus per level:
3% bonus to the strength of Armored Warfare and Skirmish Warfare links

But some of the prerequisites are very heavy to learn :

for Command Ships Level I

Armored Warfare Level V

Information Warfare Level V

Siege Warfare Level V

Skirmish Warfare Level V

Armored warfare and Skirmish warfare, I understand because of the bonus previously quoted

But what is the point to learn Information Warfare Level V and Skirmish Warfare Level V just to be able to fly command ships I don't care about ? DAMN
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#2 - 2013-10-01 19:50:41 UTC
Was there a giant chunk of the past recently unearthed?



I just have to know because it seems like there are a lot of whine threads about stuff that changed months ago happening this week.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#3 - 2013-10-01 19:51:14 UTC
Command ships are major force-multipliers. Powerful tools shouldn't be just lying around for just anyone to pick up and use - else they become OP.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-10-01 19:53:16 UTC
If you have less than 10m SP in leadership, you don't have the balls to fly command ships.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Janos Minitaur
Reisende des Schwarzschild Grenze
#5 - 2013-10-01 19:55:46 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Was there a giant chunk of the past recently unearthed?



I just have to know because it seems like there are a lot of whine threads about stuff that changed months ago happening this week.


It's not whining it's questionning. FYI I already had command ships trained to 5 prior to the patch, I just wonder why to have to train irrelevant skills for a ship which do not provide any bonus related to these skills.

maybe you see lots of whine threads just because you don't recognize the true whinage Roll
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-10-01 19:57:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
http://i.imgur.com/536vopf.png

no problems here

the best part is that the character can't even fly command ships or T3s

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Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-10-01 19:58:19 UTC
Janos Minitaur wrote:
It's not whining it's questionning. FYI I already had command ships trained to 5 prior to the patch, I just wonder why to have to train irrelevant skills for a ship which do not provide any bonus related to these skills.


The "Command Ships" skill isn't race or bonus specific.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#8 - 2013-10-01 19:59:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Janos Minitaur wrote:
But what is the point to learn Information Warfare Level V and Skirmish Warfare Level V just to be able to fly command ships I don't care about ? DAMN
The point is that CS are — quite rightly — very skill-heavy ships due to the massive difference they can make. That one ship can add millions of additional EHP that the enemy has to chew through.

Those skills are there to make your job, and the job of the fleet easier. It means that having a CS in a boosting position ensures that everyone gets large bonuses to their base stats, and that you don't have to choose between those when you pick what kind(s) of CS you want in your fleet.

Quote:
I just wonder why to have to train irrelevant skills for a ship which do not provide any bonus related to these skills.
They're not irrelevant. You are in a fleet boosting ship. Those skills boost your fleet, regardless of what ship you're in.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-10-01 19:59:37 UTC
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:
The "Command Ships" skill isn't race or bonus specific.

it's the eos' hull bonus

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Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-10-01 20:03:50 UTC
Andski wrote:
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:
The "Command Ships" skill isn't race or bonus specific.

it's the eos' hull bonus


Yes, but all different races have different hull boni from the Command Ship skill. So it makes sense for the "Command Ships" skill bonus to require all Warfare support skills at level V, not only the ones benefitting the Eos.
Janos Minitaur
Reisende des Schwarzschild Grenze
#11 - 2013-10-01 20:05:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Janos Minitaur
Tippia wrote:
Janos Minitaur wrote:
But what is the point to learn Information Warfare Level V and Skirmish Warfare Level V just to be able to fly command ships I don't care about ? DAMN
The point is that CS are — quite rightly — very skill-heavy ships due to the massive difference they can make. That one ship can add millions of additional EHP that the enemy has to chew through.

Those skills are there to make your job, and the job of the fleet easier. It means that having a CS in a boosting position ensures that everyone gets large bonuses to their base stats, and that you don't have to choose between those when you pick what kind(s) of CS you want in your fleet.



OK Tippia, thanks for a clear answer. but about T3 ? they give very nice fleet boost also and are very easier to skill for !
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#12 - 2013-10-01 20:08:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Janos Minitaur wrote:
OK Tippia, thanks for a clear answer. but about T3 ? they give very nice fleet boost also and are very easier to skill for !

T3s are of an old and incomplete paradigm, and they're up for a near-complete revision that is likely include further changes to the boosting subsystems
Eggs Ackley
#13 - 2013-10-01 20:11:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Eggs Ackley
Janos Minitaur wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Was there a giant chunk of the past recently unearthed?



I just have to know because it seems like there are a lot of whine threads about stuff that changed months ago happening this week.


It's not whining it's questionning. FYI I already had command ships trained to 5 prior to the patch, I just wonder why to have to train irrelevant skills for a ship which do not provide any bonus related to these skills.

maybe you see lots of whine threads just because you don't recognize the true whinage Roll



If you had Command Ships at 5 before the change then you can fly one.
Janos Minitaur
Reisende des Schwarzschild Grenze
#14 - 2013-10-01 20:15:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Janos Minitaur
Ok I got the answers I was looking for. Thanks dudes.

I will train information warfare and siege warfare to 5 later then
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-10-01 20:22:39 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Was there a giant chunk of the past recently unearthed?



I just have to know because it seems like there are a lot of whine threads about stuff that changed months ago happening this week.



I too have noticed that. Just wait there will be whine threads about (insert random 3yr + expansion here) in a few days. Did everyone just come back from a very long vacation to discover CCP has changed some things?

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#16 - 2013-10-01 23:12:46 UTC
Eggs Ackley wrote:



If you had Command Ships at 5 before the change then you can fly one.



Make that Battle Cruiser V, and you then have a post that actually means something real.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Eggs Ackley
#17 - 2013-10-01 23:54:57 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Eggs Ackley wrote:



If you had Command Ships at 5 before the change then you can fly one.



Make that Battle Cruiser V, and you then have a post that actually means something real.


Always anxious to prove folks wrong. One had to have trained Command Ships to one before the noted changes to fly one without all the boost skills. BC5 was not enough.