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[VID] 2v2 Navy Battlecruisers

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-10-01 10:55:35 UTC
Gonna put this one in the right place this time P And since I'm in a section of the forums I rarely visit, there may be regulars here that aren't aware that I'm relatively new to PVP and enjoying every last minute of it, even the fights I lose.

Anyway, just joined a friend of mine for an arranged 2v2 Navy Battlecruisers fight in Jita, with prizes. Battlecruisers were handed out for free, Brutal and I got to keep ours.

Brutal Wyrm (Navy Cane) from A Powerful Lowsec Corporation and myself (Navy Brutix) vs Leanna Dekara, a 2009 EVE veteran, and Xellahmai Dallocort, who's Battleclinic record far outpaces his 2013 age. They both also flew the Navy Brutix.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#2 - 2013-10-01 11:41:30 UTC
Congratulations on achieving possibly the slimmest definition of PvP that still technically counts. Planned fight, even sides, warp at 0, no positioning, nothing of personal value risked, pure mathematical result of the shield fit trading too much EHP for not enough extra DPS.

Try RvB or a training corp like Agony/E-UNI. Please. You're missing 99.999% of initiating & flying in fights, with stuff on the line.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-10-01 11:48:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Daneel Trevize wrote:
Congratulations on achieving possibly the slimmest definition of PvP that still technically counts. Planned fight, even sides, warp at 0, no positioning, nothing of personal value risked, pure mathematical result of the shield fit trading too much EHP for not enough extra DPS.

Try RvB or a training corp like Agony/E-UNI. Please. You're missing 99.999% of initiating & flying in fights, with stuff on the line.


Gee, that must be why Alliance Tournaments are so unpopular.....

Hey, dude, I'm having fun, I don't care about anyone's subjective categorisation of what is and isn't PVP or whether it matters or not, all that matters to me is having fun. EVE isn't real life, this isn't an achievement of any kind of merit, and I've got no need to impress anyone, this is a GAME that is intended to be FUN, and that's what I'm doing, having fun. You don't have to like it, and whether you do or not is not my problem. Cynicism noted, btw.

Seriously, though, what kind of EVE player would I be to pass up a good fight and a free Navy Brutix?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Aesheera
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-10-01 15:12:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Aesheera
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Daneel Trevize wrote:
Congratulations on achieving possibly the slimmest definition of PvP that still technically counts. Planned fight, even sides, warp at 0, no positioning, nothing of personal value risked, pure mathematical result of the shield fit trading too much EHP for not enough extra DPS.

Try RvB or a training corp like Agony/E-UNI. Please. You're missing 99.999% of initiating & flying in fights, with stuff on the line.


Gee, that must be why Alliance Tournaments are so unpopular.....

Hey, dude, I'm having fun, I don't care about anyone's subjective categorisation of what is and isn't PVP or whether it matters or not, all that matters to me is having fun. EVE isn't real life, this isn't an achievement of any kind of merit, and I've got no need to impress anyone, this is a GAME that is intended to be FUN, and that's what I'm doing, having fun. You don't have to like it, and whether you do or not is not my problem. Cynicism noted, btw.

Seriously, though, what kind of EVE player would I be to pass up a good fight and a free Navy Brutix?

Granted, the initial response you got could have been provided slightly different, but your reply will not net you any better responses.
In fairness however, he gave you legit suggestions.

If you post a video in here and state "I don't care about anyone's subjective categorisation of what is and isn't PVP", then don't post the video and keep it between you and your friends.

You link it to share it with random people and in return, you will get feedback.
Depending on the quality you present the viewers with, these responses will be positive, neutral or negative.

Can't handle negative feedback?
Don't link a video when you jump on the defensive like that.

I would have watched it, but I think i'll pass.

- I think my passion is misinterpreted as anger sometimes. And I don't think people are ready for the message that I'm delivering, and delivering with a sense of violent love.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-10-01 15:20:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Aesheera wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Daneel Trevize wrote:
Congratulations on achieving possibly the slimmest definition of PvP that still technically counts. Planned fight, even sides, warp at 0, no positioning, nothing of personal value risked, pure mathematical result of the shield fit trading too much EHP for not enough extra DPS.

Try RvB or a training corp like Agony/E-UNI. Please. You're missing 99.999% of initiating & flying in fights, with stuff on the line.


Gee, that must be why Alliance Tournaments are so unpopular.....

Hey, dude, I'm having fun, I don't care about anyone's subjective categorisation of what is and isn't PVP or whether it matters or not, all that matters to me is having fun. EVE isn't real life, this isn't an achievement of any kind of merit, and I've got no need to impress anyone, this is a GAME that is intended to be FUN, and that's what I'm doing, having fun. You don't have to like it, and whether you do or not is not my problem. Cynicism noted, btw.

Seriously, though, what kind of EVE player would I be to pass up a good fight and a free Navy Brutix?

Granted, the initial response you got could have been provided slightly different, but your reply will not net you any better responses.
In fairness however, he gave you legit suggestions.

If you post a video in here and state "I don't care about anyone's subjective categorisation of what is and isn't PVP", then don't post the video and keep it between you and your friends.

You link it to share it with random people and in return, you will get feedback.
Depending on the quality you present the viewers with, these responses will be positive, neutral or negative.

Can't handle negative feedback?
Don't link a video when you jump on the defensive like that.

I would have watched it, but I think i'll pass.


I'm just sharing fun times on EVE. I've noticed, though, that for some people, EVE is more of a job - not so much fun as it is work.

As for his 'suggestions', it's nothing I haven't heard before, and nothing I haven't done, either. It's like a broken record with the 'PvP Purists' - "Do it the same way as me or you're crap". Get stuffed, it's a game. And this rubbish about putting stuff on the line? Pfft, it's pixels.

I'm sure any feedback will be partly determined by video quality, but the feedback here was mostly determined by nothing short of EVE elitism. Legit suggestions? Legit for who? I had an opportunity for a fight, I took it. Got a problem with that? Well, it's entirely your problem. Perhaps, I'll post what I like, and if you don't like it, you have no need to click on it. Because I can handle negative feedback just fine, in case you haven't noticed. I didn't post here for feedback, though, or for views or ratings, I posted to share. Back in the day when gaming was about having fun, that's what gamers did.

But don't worry, I'm a big boy, and was fully expecting this kind of elitist diatribe. To be honest, though, you accuse me of getting 'defensive', but when the first reply I get to me sharing how much I'm enjoying EVE is loaded with cynicism, sarcasm, and just general disrespect, how the **** do you expect me to respond? Thank you sir, please flog my arse some more sir? I don't think so.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#6 - 2013-10-01 16:17:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Daneel Trevize
There is no more feedback to give, there is no content to discuss.
There's no piloting. There's no initiation. There's not even any props for risking something.
And the point of Eve is that they're not quite just pixels, when they're valued in isk/time put into a complex 10-year old economic simulation. (Slightly backed by optimally queuing your SP too).

By all means have fun with the game mechanics of combat, but why not just fight on Sisi and bet on the outcome?
Or, again, try something like RvB, or the SCL, where you can be more assured of getting value for your ingame time & efforts, due to the rules & typical value of ships used.

This video is nothing but a massive case of 'you had to be there' and that was obvious to almost anyone.

And what the **** does someone's battleclinic/any killmail-API-based have to do with how good particular content will be, what skill might be shown or entertainment derived?
Also how's someone from 'a powerful lowsec corp' while being fine to fight in Jita unmolested. P
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-10-01 16:46:13 UTC
Daneel Trevize wrote:

And the point of Eve is that they're not quite just pixels, when they're valued in isk/time put into a complex 10-year old economic simulation. (Slightly backed by optimally queuing your SP too).


For you. That's the point of EVE for you. Not for me.

Quote:
This video is nothing but a massive case of 'you had to be there' and that was obvious to almost anyone.


Then don't watch it. And if you accidentally do, then that's your problem, not mine. Seriously, what part of that is actually my problem?

Quote:
And what the **** does someone's battleclinic/any killmail-API-based have to do with how good particular content will be, what skill might be shown or entertainment derived?


Nothing. However, more activity generally indicates more experience.

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Also how's someone from 'a powerful lowsec corp' while being fine to fight in Jita unmolested. P


That's actually the name of a corp, A Powerful Lowsec Corp, and what part of you defaults to 'lowsec dwellers are all scum with negative security status'? Anyway, I wouldn't recommend getting on the wrong side of them.

Buddy, I've been in plenty of fights that weren't planned. What does it matter? A fight is a fight is a fight, a kill is a kill is a kill. If the method annoys you so, then no one's forcing you to take part in an arranged fight. No matter how much time, isk (which has no value whatsoever outside the game), or skill points I put into this game, it will always just be pixels to be shot at by other pixels to me. It might be a day job for you, but I've already got a real one of those.

We did this fight for fun, for free ships, and because why the hell not? I posted the video to share content, and because why the hell not? Someone who's new to EVE might stumble across that video, drop his mining barge and start skilling for battlecruisers, newly invigorated to give PVP a shot. Maybe, just maybe, the video's just not your thing.

At the end of it all though, you were just an arse in your first comment here. There was no feedback in that, just the echo of things I've heard before, and done before, mixed with the cynical sarcasm of a PVP elitist who takes it all just a little too seriously. Well I'll tell you something, I'm never going to take a video game seriously.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-10-01 16:54:34 UTC
You know what, I'm just trying to get involved with the community. And yeah, I'm going to play this card, but being autistic, I don't find it very easy to get involved in much at all. Thanks to captain elitist buzzkill here, I don't think I'll bother trying again. I've reported this thread requesting its deletion. Don't worry, I won't be sharing with anyone here again. You guys have clearly lost the ability to actually appreciate this game as a work of art and meaningful enjoyment, a game to play for fun as much as any game.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#9 - 2013-10-01 19:00:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Daneel Trevize
The work of art of this game is the complexity, and player-driven content. While someone handing out free navy ships for fights is such content because it goes against the grain of facilitating their immediate wealth increase, this whole fight & piloting (and the terrible fits involved now that I've looked again) make me think of Ecce Homo (Elías García Martínez)[which this fail forum won't let me link].

But remember, you are a big boy, you can take some negative feedback. On that point, why did you render 2 horizontal HD screens into 1 1080p video? At least the music was different which is nice.

Please, once again, try some proper playing to anywhere near the potential of the game mechanics & human interaction possible in this MMO. Surely you've seen the other vids people put out that get the top praise. Try iBeast's latest one (granted it's very long).
Aesheera
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-10-01 19:15:32 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Got a problem with that? Well, it's entirely your problem. Perhaps, I'll post what I like, and if you don't like it, you have no need to click on it.

It's not our problem, that's the whole point.
You make it a problem by blowing it out of proportion and getting all wound up.
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Because I can handle negative feedback just fine, in case you haven't noticed.

You quite clearly cannot.
I redirect you to your first response post.
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Back in the day when gaming was about having fun, that's what gamers did.

Assuming these days are gone is purely your own perception.
I can assure you people still play games for fun.
Remiel Pollard wrote:
But don't worry, I'm a big boy, and was fully expecting this kind of elitist diatribe. To be honest, though, you accuse me of getting 'defensive', but when the first reply I get to me sharing how much I'm enjoying EVE is loaded with cynicism, sarcasm, and just general disrespect, how the **** do you expect me to respond? Thank you sir, please flog my arse some more sir? I don't think so.

This simple mention conflicts directly with the part I quoted second in this post.

Lighten up dude.
If you feel people give you crap, ignore it, don't have such a short fuse.
Or get all defensive and deny it in the process, and while you're at it, do it on public forums.
'Cause that's exactly what you just did.

- I think my passion is misinterpreted as anger sometimes. And I don't think people are ready for the message that I'm delivering, and delivering with a sense of violent love.
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#11 - 2013-10-01 19:37:09 UTC
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