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100B ISK Proposal - Revolutionary Alliance management system
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Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
#81 - 2013-10-01 17:09:58 UTC
Vixen Soul wrote:
Mra Rednu wrote:

But you are in an alliance, why not use that to test it on ?

I'm in a Dust corp & alliance. I need an alliance with eve data.



Couldn't you just spoof it? Create a web service that returns stuff formatted like the api pulls you are trying to do. You could create as many as you want and it would be as real as you wanted it to be. Its all just XML after all.
Vixen Soul
Perkone
Caldari State
#82 - 2013-10-01 17:15:42 UTC
Tigerras wrote:
Vixen Soul wrote:
Mra Rednu wrote:

But you are in an alliance, why not use that to test it on ?

I'm in a Dust corp & alliance. I need an alliance with eve data.



Couldn't you just spoof it? Create a web service that returns stuff formatted like the api pulls you are trying to do. You could create as many as you want and it would be as real as you wanted it to be. Its all just XML after all.


I'm not sure what you mean.

Right now, I'm doing the authentication system. A user signed up, and then he can submit APIs. The system looks at the API and determines of its account, character, corporation, or alliance. It then acts accordingly populating the database with the data that is associated with that API key type.

So what I do is I write the function, and then I put it on the website, and run the function to see if it does what I want. If it does, I continue on to the next development objective.

Right now, I am at the point where if someone submits a corp API, the system populates the character database with everyone in the corp. Then, when a member of the corp comes, and submits their API data, they can say, oh, you are the owner of this character, and it will associate the character to the account.

This is all fine. But the thing is.. now I'm ready to do the alliance API. But, how can I test that my code is bug free without an alliance API to enter in so that I can make sure data is populating the database? I need real data.

SoulCreative
Wafflehead
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2013-10-01 18:24:06 UTC
Vixen Soul wrote:
Tigerras wrote:
Vixen Soul wrote:
Mra Rednu wrote:

But you are in an alliance, why not use that to test it on ?

I'm in a Dust corp & alliance. I need an alliance with eve data.



Couldn't you just spoof it? Create a web service that returns stuff formatted like the api pulls you are trying to do. You could create as many as you want and it would be as real as you wanted it to be. Its all just XML after all.


I'm not sure what you mean.

Right now, I'm doing the authentication system. A user signed up, and then he can submit APIs. The system looks at the API and determines of its account, character, corporation, or alliance. It then acts accordingly populating the database with the data that is associated with that API key type.

So what I do is I write the function, and then I put it on the website, and run the function to see if it does what I want. If it does, I continue on to the next development objective.

Right now, I am at the point where if someone submits a corp API, the system populates the character database with everyone in the corp. Then, when a member of the corp comes, and submits their API data, they can say, oh, you are the owner of this character, and it will associate the character to the account.

This is all fine. But the thing is.. now I'm ready to do the alliance API. But, how can I test that my code is bug free without an alliance API to enter in so that I can make sure data is populating the database? I need real data.


This makes no sense what so ever.. Basically you cannot code?. You know what data the API (xml) will generate why cant you just code the system and use fake generated data?

Looking at the API lists, there is no "alliance" api?. You would have to pull the list of corps and then each corp would have to provide its API?
Vixen Soul
Perkone
Caldari State
#84 - 2013-10-01 18:41:57 UTC
Wafflehead wrote:
Vixen Soul wrote:
Tigerras wrote:
Vixen Soul wrote:
Mra Rednu wrote:

But you are in an alliance, why not use that to test it on ?

I'm in a Dust corp & alliance. I need an alliance with eve data.



Couldn't you just spoof it? Create a web service that returns stuff formatted like the api pulls you are trying to do. You could create as many as you want and it would be as real as you wanted it to be. Its all just XML after all.


I'm not sure what you mean.

Right now, I'm doing the authentication system. A user signed up, and then he can submit APIs. The system looks at the API and determines of its account, character, corporation, or alliance. It then acts accordingly populating the database with the data that is associated with that API key type.

So what I do is I write the function, and then I put it on the website, and run the function to see if it does what I want. If it does, I continue on to the next development objective.

Right now, I am at the point where if someone submits a corp API, the system populates the character database with everyone in the corp. Then, when a member of the corp comes, and submits their API data, they can say, oh, you are the owner of this character, and it will associate the character to the account.

This is all fine. But the thing is.. now I'm ready to do the alliance API. But, how can I test that my code is bug free without an alliance API to enter in so that I can make sure data is populating the database? I need real data.


This makes no sense what so ever.. Basically you cannot code?. You know what data the API (xml) will generate why cant you just code the system and use fake generated data?

Looking at the API lists, there is no "alliance" api?. You would have to pull the list of corps and then each corp would have to provide its API?


I think it's funny that because I lack experience with all the data available through the API, you think my development ability is bad.

Anyway, thank you for the information. The fact that alliance API doesn't exist saves me time. I already got the corp, character, and account type of API working, and character list already populates for user. so yeah, authentication system is done ^.^

SoulCreative
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries
#85 - 2013-10-01 18:58:45 UTC
My alliance already has had an in house developer create this for us. For a mere 150billion isk you could purchase access from me.

♥

 ♥ 
Vixen Soul
Perkone
Caldari State
#86 - 2013-10-01 19:02:40 UTC
Princess Saskia wrote:
My alliance already has had an in house developer create this for us. For a mere 150billion isk you could purchase access from me.

♥


no thank you. if you are with test alliance, i've seen their system. it's dated.

SoulCreative
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries
#87 - 2013-10-01 19:08:43 UTC
Vixen Soul wrote:
Princess Saskia wrote:
My alliance already has had an in house developer create this for us. For a mere 150billion isk you could purchase access from me.

♥


no thank you. if you are with test alliance, i've seen their system. it's dated.


Meight does it even look like I'm in test....

 ♥ 
Vixen Soul
Perkone
Caldari State
#88 - 2013-10-01 19:13:32 UTC
Princess Saskia wrote:
Vixen Soul wrote:
Princess Saskia wrote:
My alliance already has had an in house developer create this for us. For a mere 150billion isk you could purchase access from me.

♥


no thank you. if you are with test alliance, i've seen their system. it's dated.


Meight does it even look like I'm in test....


no it doesn't look like you are in test, but test is the only half decent alliance management system i know of.

SoulCreative
Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
#89 - 2013-10-01 21:18:22 UTC
Wait wait wait wait wait....


Test still exists? I thought their CEO went crazy and everyone blew themselves and their supers up?

reddit may have lied to me.
Charles Case
State War Academy
Caldari State
#90 - 2013-10-02 00:04:24 UTC
That's a pretty good make believe system you got there, it's worth at least 200 bill i'd say. Maybe even 250.
Vixen Soul
Perkone
Caldari State
#91 - 2013-10-02 00:07:43 UTC
Charles Case wrote:
That's a pretty good make believe system you got there, it's worth at least 200 bill i'd say. Maybe even 250.


well thank you, sir, she's priceless in my eyes. i'd never sell her, not for a million bucks, no i wouldnt. Lol

SoulCreative
Vistrix Starshadow
New Eden Webservices
#92 - 2013-10-02 00:33:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Vistrix Starshadow
Vixen Soul wrote:
Charles Case wrote:
That's a pretty good make believe system you got there, it's worth at least 200 bill i'd say. Maybe even 250.


well thank you, sir, she's priceless in my eyes. i'd never sell her, not for a million bucks, no i wouldnt. Lol


Fantastic. If you're not selling anything, then why not start a new thread elsewhere. The Sell Orders is for actually selling stuff, in case you missed out on the rules or forgot how to read while you were in China.
Vixen Soul
Perkone
Caldari State
#93 - 2013-10-02 00:39:15 UTC
Vistrix Starshadow wrote:
Vixen Soul wrote:
Charles Case wrote:
That's a pretty good make believe system you got there, it's worth at least 200 bill i'd say. Maybe even 250.


well thank you, sir, she's priceless in my eyes. i'd never sell her, not for a million bucks, no i wouldnt. Lol


Fantastic. If you're not selling anything, then why not move this thread out of the sell orders.


right, we could move it, orrr you could let it die by not posting :P

SoulCreative
Durka Time
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
#94 - 2013-10-02 23:12:33 UTC
This thread + the thread on facepunch has just entertained me for a good half hour, thanks Big smile

p.s. Your websites are ****, please stop posting and spend the time learning how to develop.
Vixen Soul
Perkone
Caldari State
#95 - 2013-10-02 23:16:27 UTC
Durka Time wrote:
This thread + the thread on facepunch has just entertained me for a good half hour, thanks Big smile

p.s. Your websites are ****, please stop posting and spend the time learning how to develop.


thanks for the advice. Roll

SoulCreative
Vembuvend
State War Academy
Caldari State
#96 - 2013-10-04 11:47:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Vembuvend
My two cents from business perspective...

I believe there's not many corporations and alliances willing to dish out 100B even for a software that is complete and working, much less one that is in the planning and development stage. They would use other solutions and then it's hard to lure them away.

If I were you and really hoping to make it work, I would make a core system that supports API registration, automatic permissions, forums, templating and extensions and make it free or very cheap to get people using it.

Main source of incoume would come from selling extensions. Whenever there is something all corporation types would not benefit, such as killboard for example, you would make it as an add-on and possibly charge.

You will earn more.
Krimishkev
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2013-11-06 11:37:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Krimishkev
Vixen Soul wrote:
Kaputt wrote:
So,

You've tried this before... Failed.

You tried sale pitching your "company" on Facepunch... Mocked no end and even hacked. And to be honest, I've seen more professional websites for a much lower price.

You come back here with a super idea SAME pitch... Not looking good is it?

Like the others have said, you would stand a much better chance of creating the website, have people test it and iron out the leeks and then pitch it as a monthly service. IF (and its a god damn big IF) takes off and the word gets around you may just then have your 100billion.

Until then;

NOPE.


If I end up making this website without an investor, I promise you it won't be sold.


You lack a common set of skills. We here in the REAL WORLD call them "Common Sense".

Common sense tells us that we do not purchase a product without trying it first. If you're looking for investors you're in the wrong profession, and you're definitely in the wrong game.

Your FP disaster pretty much proves you're a script kiddy with no real talent, who's trying to con people out of money. My suggestion, just become a scammer in JITA, it doesnt require intelligence. You can even write a simple bot to continually post your scam in local!

e: i love run on sentences, btw

e2: sorry for necro, got carried away