Wormholes

Greetings fellow children of Bob!

I come to you today in asking about something I hear about often, but never see first-hand in practice. I'm curious, how common are 'arranged fights' in wormhole space?

Generally speaking the organization I am with finds themselves being on the "blob" side of things, not because we want to be blobby, but because we have a good number of people, all are very enthusiastic to participate and don't want to be left out of the action, so lots of people show up for fleets.

When roaming, we somehow always seem to only run into gank-like situations (ie, coming across a noctis by itself on a hole or a couple of barges or something). In the rare case we do run into another actual fleet, we usually outnumber them by a decent margin, so we have a distinct advantage there as well.

I've tried a few times when lumbering into a random connection through our static, I come across a small group of people who are obviously active but not engaging, likely due to fleet comp differences. I have queried these people, countless times upon countless systems, asking if they would like to arrange 3vs3 at the sun, 5vs5, whatever they can muster. I've even offered shipping down, offering "hey lets just do T1 cruiser brawls at the sun, so people can re-ship and keep coming back for more fun at minimal expense".

In 100% of the cases where I proposed something like this I was flatly denied, usually with some comment about "you wouldn't keep your word". Thing is, I'm not from a 'notable' wormhole organization, in fact I don't think we exist on any of the "notable wormhole entities" wikis/documents/posts out there, so its not like we have a good or bad reputation, they just assume nobody keeps their word or something.

After our offer is denied we usually just wander away to look for fun elsewhere, we do not taunt/harass/etc, we're looking for fun not to ruin other peoples' fun...

So, to make a long story short - I ask again, what is the real-world frequency of arranged fights actually happening? Is there a distinction between what class of wormholes? Generally we find the most populated holes to be C3's with null statics, which is where the majority of these offers have been put on the table, but there have also been occasions in C2's with C4 statics, or C1's where we were equally unsuccessful. We find C5/C6 holes to generally be empty during our prime-time, so haven't even had the opportunity to test offering in those classes..

What has been your experience? I think the majority of the wormhole community is out to get fun fights, and I get wanting to win instead of lose, but why turn down an arranged fight with T1 ships? So what if we broke our word (we wouldn't), at worst you lose 50m ISK worth of T1 cruiser hulls+fittings and you gain valuable intel about the opponent (not keeping their word).

What do you all do to actually find a fight?

My corp prides its self at keeping all ransoms and keeping our words during arranged fights.

If we screw it up, out of an accidental thing, or someone shoots a pod while we wait for a haiku... the offender pays the victim.

Get a reputation. When we ask for a 2v2, we mean it. I want to call out, this is just how WE operate. This isn't how I expect everyone else to operate.

You may find that people will ask for a arranged fight, and have 0 intention on upholding it. EVE is a sandbox and everyone is entitled to play their own game. Just learn from mistakes and when that group of people wants to do it again, double cross them better !

Honestly I would post with my main if I could, our organization has standing rules about posting in the forums, we can't post with our mains. Our leadership in fact prefers not having a reputation or anyone being familiar with us due to overwhelming paranoia of (insert something I don't understand here), which perhaps is the core of the problem. I am but a grunt, quite frustrated with regular "PVP days" that yield nothing but a covetor kill. Honestly I'd rather lose a pimped out T3 in a fun brawl than get kills like that. Maybe I'm just in the wrong organization? :)



I am fully OK with people not honoring arranged fights, this is EVE, backstabbing is part of the game. What I am kind of at a loss about is the complete unwillingness to have an arranged fight, not a single bite. And no, we don't roll in with he whole fleet, our scouts make the request for arranged fights before the other entity even sees our fleet generally.

Is it safe to say that you both seem to have no issues finding fights in your organizations? That's kind of the core of what I'm getting at, is it my organization and the way they operate, or is lack of arranged fights just how it is in wormhole space? I come from a nullsec background where even there we had occasion for arranged fights just to keep things interesting without calling in the hotdrop brigade and what-not.

Generally when we arrange fights we have about an 80% success rate in getting at least something (even if it is only frigs or cruisers at the sun)

It is easier to get people to agree however if you belong to one of the notable groups or have a public face on the forums.

But at the end of the day, some groups are that risk adverse that they would rather sit in a pos than potentially lose a t1 frig or cruiser..

Hope that helps,

Sith

arranged fights are offered and honored at all times. refusal to fight is where you really get into trouble. I know T1 cruisers is a big risk but losing your home is certainly worse no?

People don't often refuse to fight, but when they do...

I often play in fucky time zones away from most of my corp due to my weird work schedule, and I barely see any fights, I've never been hailed for a 1v1 by a stranger but if I was I'd try to meet up and have some fun. I would full expect to be welped and find myself back in some high sec station but meh. I have piped up in local when I see another group to scared to fight that i'd bring a hawk or a caracal or something for a good fight but I too always get the your going to bring all your friends crap. Even offered to fleet up and meet at one of their safe spots just us and to no avail.

Bane? Is it really you? Meet me at the sun!

Honestly speaking, YOU guys are the only ones we've gotten decent fights out of that weren't one-sided (ie, we weren't the blob). I've heard a lot of people say a lot of gripey things about KILL, and there's that big forum wall of text about you guys, but honestly, I've got nothing but good things to say about KILL when it comes to PVP. Had a blast, would buy again.

Only if you promise to do that thing you do again..you know...

it sounds to me like your biggest issue is the fact that no one knows who you are. Your "standing rules" about forums is garbage and accomplishes nothing. Unless people know who you are your not going to get arranged fights , build up a rep of honoring them and they flow like water. But likewise it only takes 1 mistake to lose all of it, word travels quick about who wont honor their agreements.

Until you allow your corp to have a face the only fights youll get are people that have run into you already.