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SomerGate - Questions.

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Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-10-01 03:23:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Deka Ekato
Dear CCP,

-How does it work that a 3rd party entity can sponser a live event?
-Where is that financial support coming from?

-Was Somer actually audited by CCP to see if they are trustworthy?
-How was it done and by whom?

-Why should your customers register themselves in a 3rd party site, just to gain a chance to win Eve stuff?
-Why should unique items be spawned and be won by auction, instead of being earned?

-Why was Somer chosen in particular, and by whom?
-Why was Somer favoured over other sites?
-Why was a "for profit" gambling site chosen?
-Why wasn't a "fan site" not used?
-Why did you do this at all?

[quote] Andski wrote:
-How will you address the concern that you are effectively giving a for-profit player entity a major windfall due to increased revenue from players hoping to get these prizes?

-By the time CCP had decided to change the prizes, ( of the LV event ), were the original rare ships already given to Somer, and if they were, were they returned, ( given/taken back ), to CCP?

Edit 06/10/2013
-Have Somer ever been given stuff / isk simply out of CCP's goodwill?( It seems that they have most definately done so. ).
-CCP, do you want to turn Eve into "Pay To Win"?

-What about the allegations/accusations of Somer RMT?
-Does CCP have double standards?
-CCP, can we ever trust you?

-Is Somer a scam? ( IMHO, I believe it is )

These are just some of my concerns over this issue, ( it is an issue ).

CCP, please do not stay silent for too long about this. Please restore some faith back to your customers, cause you simply have messed up, again!

Why CCP, why?

No matter how much of a cash cow Somer is to CCP, this blatant favouritism is unfair and disgusting. Please CCP, stop hurting your reputation and Eve. Stop favouring Somer.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#2 - 2013-10-01 10:27:04 UTC
It seems as though CCP have given all the answers they're willing to give. All of the points raised, which are massive, sandbox destroying ones, will not be answered because they either cannot answer them or the answer will be so blatantly, inexcusably terrible that they'd rather play the silent game and hope it blows over.
Feer Truelight
#3 - 2013-10-01 10:29:27 UTC
Nice lips @OP.
Sadly your lips are more relevant to me than the "Somergate". Think about it.

8/7/2006 3:39:36 PM UTC FreeCCP Promotional Game Time 7 Days Paid

6/1/2012 5:48:57 PM UTC PayPal 1 x 1 Month EVE Subscription + Signup €19.95 Paid

CCP took 6 years to convert me to a (still) paying subscriber :)
Xeen Du'Wang
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-10-01 11:01:42 UTC
Feer Truelight wrote:
Nice lips @OP.
Sadly your lips are more relevant to me than the "Somergate". Think about it.


Thats because you are a moron.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-10-01 11:47:50 UTC
Don't worry, having granted a massive windfall to their buddies at Somer CCP are now instating restrictions to make sure only Somer receive such favouritism.

That's fair, right?

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
WhipDiddyWhip
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#6 - 2013-10-01 11:50:37 UTC
well apparently because im not interested in a 3rd party entity i am excluded from winning the prizes

sounds like the most stupid thing ever
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#7 - 2013-10-01 12:00:30 UTC
oh wow
this is like when royalty would grant trading monopolies to their favourites at court
eve is real Shocked
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#8 - 2013-10-01 12:25:51 UTC  |  Edited by: TheGunslinger42
WhipDiddyWhip wrote:
well apparently because im not interested in a 3rd party entity i am excluded from winning the prizes

sounds like the most stupid thing ever


Well thats your problem isn't it. Our benevolent, fair, CCP overlords demand you pay isk/purchase timecards via somer in order to participate. If you don't like that well golly gosh, tough! And if you DO want to participate, and somer ban you at their discretion - using rules that are not dictated or administered by CCP - well... oops! Sucks for you!

Maybe next time you'll think twice before using an IP address that someone else - such as your college dorm mates - use to play EVE.

so sayeth see see pee
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#9 - 2013-10-01 12:35:59 UTC
How much ISK do you have to buy before you get the free 7mil
How much ISK do you have to buy before you get the free gold ship?

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
Lair Osen
#10 - 2013-10-01 13:36:22 UTC
Dear CCP,

-How does it work that a 3rd party entity can sponser a live event?
-Where is that financial support coming from?

-Was Somer actually audited by CCP to see if they are trustworthy?
-How was it done and by whom?
Well since they haven't shut down and legged it with all the ISK yet they may as well be.
Also, since they have a pretty damn big profit margin on every blink i see no reason why they would want to.


-Why should your customers register themselves in a 3rd party site, just to gain a chance to win Eve stuff?
-Why should unique items be spawned and be won by auction, instead of being earned?

-Why was Somer chosen in particular, and by whom?
According to one of the CSM, many of the devs have a Blink addiction, which may have contributed. Also it was done as a promotion tied to EVE Vegas, which obviously relates to gambling, so a gambling site was chosen.

-Why was Somer favoured over other sites?
Blink is the most popular and polished EVE gambling site.

-Why was a "for profit" gambling site chosen?
A gambling site that is not for profit won't last very long; however Blink do give away heaps in free-to-enter promo blinks.

-Why wasn't a "fan site" not used?
A "fan site" doesn't have the infrastructure for a lottery...

-Why did you do this at all?
To support them for creating a very polished and (controversially) good site for the EVE community


Andski wrote:
-How will you address the concern that you are effectively giving a for-profit player entity a major windfall due to increased revenue from players hoping to get these prizes?
I think that was the whole point... refer last comment

-By the time CCP had decided to change the prizes, ( of the LV event ), were the original rare ships already given to Somer, and if they were, were they returned, ( given/taken back ), to CCP?
There is no legal process involved here, CCP can give or take or do whatever they want, not giving them back is impossible

-What about the allegations/accusations of Somer RMT?
If somer accounts were used in RMTing im sure they would be banned. If it's in regards to the 200m blink credit with GTCs, the $ and ISK involved are so far separated as to be acceptable, and theres the fact you are paying for GTCs supplied by CCP.

-Does CCP have double standards?
Can you find evidence on another GTC reseller who gave bonuses with GTC purchases and was prosecuted for RMTing?

-CCP, can we ever trust you?
Pointless and stupid question


-Is Somer a scam? ( IMHO, I believe it is )
No more than an RL lottery is, or any casino or professional gambling facility. It is simply a lottery system with very poor odds, but other good incentives to play.



The only possible issues here are:
1 the return of unique ships; which CCP has addressed by making new uniques ones instead which is acceptable, and
2 having to sign up for Somer to participate; which CCP has addressed by stating that this is a start of initiatives to support 3rd party EVE sites, with Somer simply being the first site to benefit.

Also https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281879&find=unread
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#11 - 2013-10-01 14:18:07 UTC  |  Edited by: TheGunslinger42
The problem with the "but somer is the most popular, thats why it was chosen" argument is the fact that if they are already the biggest, richest group who do this, then they do not need CCP to inject isk into their business and force users to make use of it. They're already doing that better than competitors by themselves.

It shrinks the sandbox and makes it impossible for the other entities - who were already 'losing' - from being able to compete.

If you have the choice between using Group A, Group B, or Group C and Group C has special shinies that CCP spawned in specifically for them, are you going to ever use A or B? They cannot by definition compete with what C has to offer, and C already were bigger and had more to offer in the first place.

It's stupid, wrong, and destroys competition and fairness.

Way to shoot yourselves in the foot, CCP. No one wants to play a game where the creator stacks the deck against them in favour of their pet favourites
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-10-01 15:41:01 UTC
Lair Osen wrote:
Dear CCP,

-How does it work that a 3rd party entity can sponser a live event?
-Where is that financial support coming from?

-Was Somer actually audited by CCP to see if they are trustworthy?
-How was it done and by whom?
Well since they haven't shut down and legged it with all the ISK yet they may as well be.
Also, since they have a pretty damn big profit margin on every blink i see no reason why they would want to.


-Why should your customers register themselves in a 3rd party site, just to gain a chance to win Eve stuff?
-Why should unique items be spawned and be won by auction, instead of being earned?

-Why was Somer chosen in particular, and by whom?
According to one of the CSM, many of the devs have a Blink addiction, which may have contributed. Also it was done as a promotion tied to EVE Vegas, which obviously relates to gambling, so a gambling site was chosen.

-Why was Somer favoured over other sites?
Blink is the most popular and polished EVE gambling site.

-Why was a "for profit" gambling site chosen?
A gambling site that is not for profit won't last very long; however Blink do give away heaps in free-to-enter promo blinks.

-Why wasn't a "fan site" not used?
A "fan site" doesn't have the infrastructure for a lottery...

-Why did you do this at all?
To support them for creating a very polished and (controversially) good site for the EVE community


Andski wrote:
-How will you address the concern that you are effectively giving a for-profit player entity a major windfall due to increased revenue from players hoping to get these prizes?
I think that was the whole point... refer last comment

-By the time CCP had decided to change the prizes, ( of the LV event ), were the original rare ships already given to Somer, and if they were, were they returned, ( given/taken back ), to CCP?
There is no legal process involved here, CCP can give or take or do whatever they want, not giving them back is impossible

-What about the allegations/accusations of Somer RMT?
If somer accounts were used in RMTing im sure they would be banned. If it's in regards to the 200m blink credit with GTCs, the $ and ISK involved are so far separated as to be acceptable, and theres the fact you are paying for GTCs supplied by CCP.

-Does CCP have double standards?
Can you find evidence on another GTC reseller who gave bonuses with GTC purchases and was prosecuted for RMTing?

-CCP, can we ever trust you?
Pointless and stupid question


-Is Somer a scam? ( IMHO, I believe it is )
No more than an RL lottery is, or any casino or professional gambling facility. It is simply a lottery system with very poor odds, but other good incentives to play.



The only possible issues here are:
1 the return of unique ships; which CCP has addressed by making new uniques ones instead which is acceptable, and
2 having to sign up for Somer to participate; which CCP has addressed by stating that this is a start of initiatives to support 3rd party EVE sites, with Somer simply being the first site to benefit.

Also https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281879&find=unread



How long have you been on Somers payroll?

Signatured removed, CCP Phantom
Baron' Soontir Fel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-10-01 15:45:08 UTC
Looks like I have to say this every time.


Somer is donating all the money they get from the ships given by CCP to sponsor a PvP tournament at Eve Vegas and for free prizes at Eve Vegas. They are not keeping the money.
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-10-01 18:10:13 UTC
Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:
Looks like I have to say this every time.


Somer is donating all the money they get from the ships given by CCP to sponsor a PvP tournament at Eve Vegas and for free prizes at Eve Vegas. They are not keeping the money.



Yeah how do you know are you handling the exchange personally?

Signatured removed, CCP Phantom
Eggs Ackley
#15 - 2013-10-01 18:11:22 UTC
Does this mean Chribba is untrustworthy too unless audited by CCP?
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-10-01 18:39:11 UTC
Eggs Ackley wrote:
Does this mean Chribba is untrustworthy too unless audited by CCP?



Most likely no but you forgot Rule #1 of EVE. Dont trust anyone.

Signatured removed, CCP Phantom
Lair Osen
#17 - 2013-10-01 22:45:34 UTC
Never been on the payroll and have actually lost 100-200 mill playing blink and so now only play the free promo blinks :).
Still losing that isk was kinda fun. I have no idea how a few of my friends claim to have made ISK playing blink but someone has to win i guess :S
Also lost 100m on EVE bet but it is a much fairer site IMO
SpoonRECKLESS
Beach Boys
The Minions.
#18 - 2013-10-01 23:53:55 UTC
This again I come to GD for epic trolls and carebears ideas of laughable content on how to fix eve.

Blue
Alice Darke
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-10-02 00:36:11 UTC
I personally don't care about CCP "showing favoritism" or whatever by giving SOMER these prizes.

That being said, looking at the histories of the characters that won CCPs prizes did raise a few questions. The winners of the biggest prizes (VIP tickets and the Rubicon cruiser) were mostly newer Blink players with small numbers of blinks won. One guy who won a 10th Anniversary Box had literally never won ANYTHING.

Anyway this is probably just tionfoil-hat nonsense and I'm probably just a paranoid pubbie, but it seems entirely possible that SOMER kept these items for themselves.
Garandras
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-10-02 00:51:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Garandras
Some people just get lucky..

I know my first blink I won 1bil isk
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