Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Not completely useless as in Level 5 gets you a 25% reduction in cooldown. Couple that with the new Marauder MJD bonus and it's a considerable skill to have if you are going down that path.

If you don't need those skills where is the problem with not having "Elite" certificate?

the way I understand it, certificates will become some sort of guideline. I just think this guideline should direct new players towards the important skills, and in my opinion MJD-O is not a very important skill.

Micro Jump Drive Operation: Skill at using Micro Jump Drives. Reduces activation time by 5% per skill level.

It doesn't reduce cooldown, it reduces spool time by 3 seconds (from 12 to 9) at lvl5. It would be several orders of magnitude more useful if it reduced cooldown though.

I fully support the OP here.


A system that should be view as a guideline isnt very good when "you just have to realise that ..."!

The issue is where do you draw the line? How should someone training his char following the certificate "guideline" know that some skills are very useful at level V while others are a complete waste of time?
You could argue to mark certain skills in elite as but what about the skills in elite that are actually really good to have?

The only option would be to only have skills in elite that are "for the sake of having the bar full" which in itself would work against the concept of the system.

Lets compare two screenshots from the blog and think about it:
1. http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65175/1/NavCert.png
2. http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65175/1/MegathronM5.png

Please take a close look at what is required to have Navigation at the highest tier compared to the second highest and take note that to reach master level for the mega from screenshot you need to master navigation.

Navigation IV has:
- Acceleration Control IV
- Evasive Maneuvering IV
- High Speed Maneuvering III

Now consider the fact that training - High Speed Maneuvering III up to level V is valued the same by this system as training Astronautics Rigging from IV to V.
High Speed Maneuvering is certainly not a kill of the category "because I'm just that good" but actually important for Mastering the piloting of the Mega.


This is just a single example but there are TONS of skills that would poison the whole mastering concept through hiding among those truly worthy to be called Mastering a certain thing



My Idea would be to introduce an additional tier after V that isn't applied to the ship mastering system at all where all those skills go that veterans train just for the sake of having everything to V.
Another way to do it would be to keep V as max mastery but break the association between certification level and how high the skill is trained (see navigation certificate as perfect example how the relation cert V -> skill V is bad)

MJD IS an important navigation skill, a Battleship important navigation skill, if someone doesn't need Battleship navigation skills for a frigate it doesn't need so the Navigation Elite Certificate.

I do understand you have your opinion on how elite certification tree should be set, however at the very beginning of your post you're already making some misjudgment like Core Competency Elite Cert requiring Core Targeting Elite, Targeting being a competency more important than we actually figure unless we don't have it, once you do you just forget it, non the less is still a base competency you want at 5 thus an important Core Competency ability.
Multitasking at 3 is a bit tricky to understand indeed but only because ships that could take the best of this skill like Logistics actually can't benefit from further skilling and this is a ship stats issue, not the skill it self that also profits for other ships.
It has its perfect place in Elite targeting cert as it does in competency one.

Potato Patato (think phonetically here folks)...it's about the overall skill itself and so 25% is still a decent reduction whether is by spool up, cool down or spinning your mother in a rock n' roll twirl. 25% isn't to be sniffed at with MJD's and not with the Marauder change a' coming round the mountain.

Less caffeine for me I think.

But I have to agree with a few of the posts above. By the time you are looking at Elite Certificates you should have a clue what you are doing and not blindly skilling what a bit of paper CCP told you to skill.

No matter how much fiddling CCP does someone will disagree with how they setup the certificates. This feature promotes CCP's opinion over those of the players who actually play the game. The main beneficiary are those people who desperately need external validation from authority figures. The development resources used on this feature are slightly detrimental to the game. Every expansion seems to have some dud features mixed in with good parts.

I have not seen anything indicating that corporations could make their own certificates, but that would be a good option. The rough guide for starting makes some sense. The Elite certificates are going to be where the silliness comes, and I don't see CCP removing those.

It is always highly beneficial to be able to lock the max. amount of targets your ship allows. Targeting management V is pretty much mandatory, and training the advanced targeting management (old Multitasking) up to III takes such short amount of time, I would not call it a "waste of time" at all, even if you do not see any use for it yet.

Overall, the Core skills are like the Batchelor in the university. And like with the batchelor, not everything you learn for the batchelor degree is absolutely useful for you, but you still do.