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Winter expansion...Win or Fail?

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ilmon
Legio Noviomagum
#21 - 2011-11-15 20:34:36 UTC  |  Edited by: ilmon
some nice things are coming but a few importent things they promised are missing like a decent hybrid rebalance and no change at all to faction warfare..........

also since when is a font change a FEATURE
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2011-11-15 20:37:43 UTC
While a lot of the stuff that is coming at the end of the month is indeed just fluff it is pretty damned good fluff and should thrill a great many people. If there is anyone out there that hasn't seen the new nebulae or V3 ship skins on Sisi they are going to be blown away.

Some of the more substantial changes that ccp promised were probably a bit too in depth to make it into this expansion but hopefully they are working on them and they are just a few months away rather than put off until next spring or summer.
Trotula
#23 - 2011-11-15 20:44:07 UTC
Fail.

Lots of smoke and mirrors, PR hype speak and nothing of substance that proves Hilmar was even one bit sincere in his apology. I'll be only keeping accounts active just long enough to eat up spare time before SWTOR launches.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#24 - 2011-11-15 23:15:01 UTC
Parts are going to be a very nice patch. Some long overdue tweaks and some new shiny for the eyes.

At least two things are horrible.

- The shafting of small outfits that do PI in lowsec by introducing the new low sec pirate hobby target the player owned CO.

- The introduction of real space barbie with the new full avatar spinning interface. That being another desperate attempt to get us to spend $$ at the NeX store. CCP!! I will not be buying NeX clothing to wear to show off to random folk spinning my image in the worlds only on person per instance MMORPG UI.

All the major promises were dropped, FW, real SOV mechanics fixes, assualt frigate revamp, real hybrid fixing.
And other long overdue areas were ignored - MINING!!! PLEASE CCP!!! Its been the same since I started in 2004!

But based on the reaction so far - WINNING - for CCP PR
Fail - if really graded as an expansion.

Issler

ACE McFACE
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2011-11-15 23:31:11 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Winter expansion: when is the final part released?

The first part (Nov 29th) is not the complete expansion.

Absolute **** is this Tempest Fit.

Thats almost as bad as someone who thinks EHP doesnt take resists into account

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.

Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#26 - 2011-11-15 23:41:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Henry Haphorn
nevermind... forum ate my post.

Adapt or Die

Kievan Arakyd
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2011-11-16 00:30:54 UTC
All the whiners and unsubbers can contract their stuff and ISK to me, and then you can go biomass.

Got my Dust514 key...

Skaz
Skazmanian Industries
#28 - 2011-11-16 00:35:47 UTC
I think it's unrealistic to think that this is other than a peacemaking effort, whatever they could cobble together before x-mas. An enticement for people to re-sub and keeping subscribers. It's basically stuff that they had on their to-do list and was easy to do, can't really expect something major changes from that tbh. I do think they've overhyped this one to a degree and it'll **** of those who are coming back expecting something big.

Having said that though they did say something along the line that it was simply that. They would be starting with a small effort as a show of good faith. and continuing with a larger effort next year. Whether that will actually happen, well that remains to be seen.

I'm looking for their announcement of their next expansion. That's the one that will count.

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Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2011-11-16 00:48:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jada Maroo
WIN - for the awesome art alone. And for addressing some really annoying nitpicks I've had for a long time (warp effects, POS fuel).

I agree with the guy above me. The next expansion is the one that matters.

I've never done FW but since everyone says it's broken I can only assume it is. If they fix FW, fix COSMOS, bring us the modular POS, complete V3 and allow ship reskinning I'll be happy with the next expansion.

Low sec and null sec... I'm assuming they're waiting on DUST for that. Since sov will probably be tied in with conquering planets, I'm not sure how you remake 0.0 without rolling out DUST first.
Dbars Grinding
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2011-11-16 00:55:47 UTC
EVE online , don't like sparkles in station? Have sparkles in space!!!!

I have more space likes than you. 

K Suri
Doomheim
#31 - 2011-11-16 02:15:17 UTC
When the **** is anyone going to be happy around here?!! When you get 3 tech moons and a freakin' Polaris?

**** me... Whining SOB's....
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#32 - 2011-11-16 02:21:19 UTC
Too many years of neglect to get fixed in one big patch, that's all it is really.

Factional Warfare ...?

How ******* hard is it to put a 4th godsdamn bonus on the AF? FFS it isn't like the frigates are that well thought out anyways, slap something on it and be done with it.
Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.   Peace out Zulu! Hope you land well!
SilentSkills
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2011-11-16 02:25:07 UTC
fail, hybrids didn't get fixed.
Ann133566
Doomheim
#34 - 2011-11-16 02:50:51 UTC
It's an ok expansion, lots of graphical upgrades and four new ships and a few minor tweaks and annoyances fixed. Hybrids are still a bit iffy and will not be anyones first choice. As for the big things, nothing other than cap nerfs. Null and low-sec remain a big concern and we should begin to wonder if CCP has any real ideas on how to fix it. FW also still needs looking at although we've been promised something soon. PVE, mining and high-sec life remains pretty much the same. Overall there is no REAL new content except V3 graphics and some rebalancing.

5/10
Lord Wiggin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2011-11-16 03:01:56 UTC
Considering they still haven't managed WIS after four years of promises, if you expected a miracle in a few months, you must have crashlanded here recently....


Oh and Lol at the free implants for current subscribers, if that doesn't tell you they are losing subs, nothing will....Shocked

Stan Smith
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2011-11-16 03:05:45 UTC
Its not like the last expansion where what, 3 things changed? And im sorry ccp didnt make hybrids an iwin button and make huge changes in a few months. Im sure the whole trinity expansion with the new ship skins and stuff wasn't done in 2 or 3 months

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leviticus ander
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2011-11-16 03:17:12 UTC
to all the people saying hybrids didn't get fixed. this was explained to me a while back. they don't want to make hybrids the new FOTM for making any ships fit with them into pwnmobiles, so they are taking it one step at a time.
with this you can at least track targets when they are in your range and with the changes to hulls you can keep up a little better. once they see how that pans out they can change other things accordingly.
other than my initial feeling of being ripped off on the hybrid changes, I'm actually quite pleased with the changes, at least they didn't make people hate them this time around.
so I would say win.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#38 - 2011-11-16 03:17:41 UTC
Everyone seems to have forgotten the supers nerf is anyone excited about that at all? Plus we are getting a free gift implant and maybe more goodies or so. If we dont get more I plan on having another protest movement.

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#39 - 2011-11-16 14:39:33 UTC
Skaz wrote:
I think it's unrealistic to think that this is other than a peacemaking effort, whatever they could cobble together before x-mas. An enticement for people to re-sub and keeping subscribers. It's basically stuff that they had on their to-do list and was easy to do, can't really expect something major changes from that tbh. I do think they've overhyped this one to a degree and it'll **** of those who are coming back expecting something big.

Having said that though they did say something along the line that it was simply that. They would be starting with a small effort as a show of good faith. and continuing with a larger effort next year. Whether that will actually happen, well that remains to be seen.

I'm looking for their announcement of their next expansion. That's the one that will count.


Emphasis added... yah I agree with this. The pressure should be on. This expansion is a peacemaker. The next one is either going to be the dealmaker or dealbreaker I bet. I'll still play (probably) to some small capacity either way, but I won't need multiple accounts to do that if the next one isn't really good...

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Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
#40 - 2011-11-16 14:54:36 UTC
I vote for winter expansion ot be WIN. It's the biggest expansion I've seen since I started playing, as far as fixing bugs goes, hybrid rebalancing and adding new ships and skins! Not to mention the pos fix.


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