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interesting topic ...americans dont want to be americans anymore

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Adunh Slavy
#61 - 2013-09-30 18:13:03 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
^ ^ look how upset it's getting. Lol

ed: ........and people used to say us San Franciscans were weird and radical.

Sorry dude, I'm a 48 year old curmudgeon of a middle aged fa**ot whose mind you have not the power to alter or change, not now, not ever.

You just can't stand that fact can you ?



It doesn't matter who or what you are. And you are welcome to remain lost in your cognitive dissonance. I will continue to allow you to show others just what people like you advocate and how people like you attempt to defend forced taxation instead of real, virtuous and moral charity.

I'm more than pleased to have you reply with more insults, excuses, red herrings and strawman arguments. It gives me the opportunity to educate others.

You give these empty moral arguments, "feed the poor", just as many others do. They sure sound nice, "save the whales", "end racism", "free education" etc etc ad nauseam.

But you never advocate how, just more taxes, more rules, more regulations, more government taking our life and liberty one little piece at a time. Since you have no solutions for your empty arguments, you hand it to others who are willing to do the dirty work for you. And then prop your self up on self proclaimed moral high ground while you sit and try to pass judgement on others.

So feel free to be a statist curmudgeon, and I will feel free to continue using you as a tool.

As a statist, you should be used to that, and in fact, welcome it.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Ano Regni
YOKELS
#62 - 2013-09-30 20:44:47 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Social Darwinism is great, until the day you end up the one at the bottom of the food chain. Because of disability, lay off, natural disaster, economical bust of your industry sector, obsolence of your skill/training set, infirmity of a family member, or any other factor that isn't wholly under your personal control. And there are a lot of complex factors at play in modern society. Just because people are down on their luck doesn't necessarily mean they're lazy or stupid.


Thank you good sir.

America doesn't work anymore for failure now to even acknowledge the other side as existing at all. See Congress at this very moment......or any of the contrarians above who posted above. It's 350,000,000 individuals all shouting "My way or the Highway or No Way".


Krixtal,

We are back to this again, everyone sees the other side, you seem as if you have to defend yourself Krixtal? but what your missing I think, is that there is a difference between those who need welfare assistance and those who don't. Wouldn't you agree? Don't you get upset when there is that one guy who parks in a handicap spot and gets out and jogs to the door while the real handicap guy is forced to go around the parking lot finding a spot to park? It is the same principle. I wont argue the fact that there are those who need help, and I (as many other Americans) like to help. But the main point I am getting at, is that there is a balance between those who need help and those who are taken advantage of me. Be it 10% or 75% (we both know it's more than 10%). I know what happens in life, I have an aunt who is disabled. She was in a bad car accident and many other things where she physically cannot work. So she receives assistance for that. Then, you have my 14 year old cousin who is collecting $800 a month in assistance herself because she has no job and is a High School student. Wish I had $800 to myself a month when I was in high school. You have other members of my family who are on government assistance but they don't really have a job. They may deliver newspapers as side income or what not but that's it. Everyone has a story.

The reality is the American dream (as I am sure many other countries) which is to work hard for what you got. And, in our society today, there seems to be more of a focus on getting something for nothing. Nobody wants to work. You have (as I mentioned before) food stamps, housing, cell phones, healthcare on State and Federal, then obamacare now, which even our Own Congress put in a stipulation excepting them from it, and various other social programs available that we haven't had in years past. Not even during the Depression era and each year, there is an increase of programs and governmental assistance. In the last 6 years, we have seen an increase in the cell phone program for instance. I drive down the road on my way home and see the canopy advertising "free cell phones". All of this money comes from somewhere. Then on top of that, As I mentioned, we are advertising the U.S. social programs in other countries, and for what reason?

So there is a balance point and a breaking point between funding increased amounts of social programs by further taxation, or the alternative which is (as us evil Constitution folks put it) clean house. Social programs is breaking Europe, and it is breaking us too.

I am registered as No Party affiliation. I am neither Democrat nor Republican. Even if I picked a party it would probably be libertarian or one of those. I don't believe in parties, neither did George Washington. But I do believe people should work hard and only take assistance if they truly need it, not because it's free.

It goes back to my story about the mother and daughter at walmart in which the mother told the daughter she better get used to her food stamp card, she'll need it for the rest of her life. There used to be a time in U.S. History where that conversation would have gone something like this: We made mistakes but you should go to school, work hard and make a better life for yourself than we have, instead, there is a belief that its ok, it's the new norm to be on government assistance. It is no longer the thought that you take it if you truly need it, and that gets scary to me.

You may disagree with me, but it is scary to me.



I am not a pirate, I work in private acquisition and redistribution dealing in personal assets
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#63 - 2013-09-30 21:14:56 UTC
Ano Regni wrote:


It goes back to my story about the mother and daughter at walmart in which the mother told the daughter she better get used to her food stamp card, she'll need it for the rest of her life. There used to be a time in U.S. History where that conversation would have gone something like this: We made mistakes but you should go to school, work hard and make a better life for yourself than we have, instead, there is a belief that its ok, it's the new norm to be on government assistance. It is no longer the thought that you take it if you truly need it, and that gets scary to me.

You may disagree with me, but it is scary to me.





Cant work if there are no jobs and if you have no money you cant move to where there is work.

There are a number of cities in the US which are now on par with 3rd world nations and the worst of these are virtual abandoned ruins.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#64 - 2013-09-30 21:27:55 UTC
As this thread is getting more and more about the merits of political systems and/or their perceived pro's/con's, this thread gets a lock.

As the OOPE rules state:

3. Discussions about politics and religion not allowed, there are other websites with forums for these topics.

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