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[Request] Add Eve-Radio to the in-game Jukebox
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Lord Zilla Waffer
The Sovereign Forge
#1 - 2013-09-30 19:39:31 UTC
CCP has already declared they are adding Twitch, a 3rd party program, to eve in the upcoming Rubicon expansion. So why not add eve-radio.com? By adding a player run radio station to the game you would only be furthering the plan to put more into the hands of the players and less in the hands of the NPCs. Think of the implications! Advertising for various corps could be done by paying of DJs with good time slots and a good fan base. News/Information would be more readily available. Things said on the media could cause political nightmares (just like in real life). They have been supporting eve for ages, and adding them to the in game code would greatly increase their audience, which might also increase their DJ count and the quality of their DJs. Not to mention it would also make their bills more affordable ^.^


Disclaimer: I DO NOT represent eve-radio in any way shape or form. I just think it would be cool if they integrated it while they are integrating other 3rd party software/websites.
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#2 - 2013-09-30 21:12:59 UTC
There are, of course, hundreds of points i could make about how this will never happen. But, in short

1) EVE Radio and Twitch are very different things. Twitch, for example, is for-profit, whereas EVE Radio, if I'm not mistaken, is non-profit.
2) Content licensing for streaming EVE Online on Twitch is pretty much non-existent. Streaming music content via EVE Radio through the client would be a legal nightmare.
3) The jukebox was removed. Deal with it.
4) Twitch utilizes datacenters in multiple regions for streaming. EVE Radio, from what I know, does not.
5) Streaming to Twitch is not the same as streaming music from EVE Radio. Integrating the streaming of DirectX rendered EVE content to Twitch's services is completely different from integrating an audio stream. Alongside this, Twitch is likely providing some degree of support to CCP for the client integration, something EVE Radio would likely not be able to do as EVE Radio does not code nor create the applications that perform the bulk of the backend work of their service.

The list goes on.







So no, this is a bad proposal.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
Lord Zilla Waffer
The Sovereign Forge
#3 - 2013-10-02 21:03:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zilla Waffer
Streaming Music through EVE radio would not be a legal nightmare, these days there are 3rd party service providers that you pay a set amount to and they handle any royalties involved with the broadcast, which I would assume is how Eve-Radio does it (Tracking the number of plays of each and every single song vs the peak number of clients during said song and then determining who to pay for each is quite a nightmare if you don't go through one of those services). I'm not complaining about the Jukebox being removed, I am talking about how since they are integrating 3rd party software, they should do it with more than just Twitch. Eve Radio would add a whole new level to the political climate of the game. Also, your statement about them needing help to integrate it..... You can access audio streams in just about anything with little difficulty. Hell, Windows media player has a feature to do that....
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#4 - 2013-10-02 21:46:12 UTC
1) Relying on a third party to handle matters through another party to track access back to a licensor is...look, I can't even begin to explain what a nightmare that presents.

2) You're seriously underestimating the costs (legal, developer resources, etc...) that would go into integrating a third-party radio station to actively steam data into the client would be like, versus Twitch which takes the DirectX output and stream it to Twtich's services. There's no CCP developer hands mucking about in Twitch when the client data goes out, and lapses in Twitch's services is on Twitch's head. The opposite is true of taking data from another service and piping it into the client, and raises issues with quality, customer support, code maintenance, and relying upon Eve-radio's technical backend for the service.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
Aischa Montagne
Blut-Klauen-Clan
#5 - 2013-10-08 19:20:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Aischa Montagne
Lord Zilla Waffer wrote:
Streaming Music through EVE radio would not be a legal nightmare, these days there are 3rd party service providers that you pay a set amount to and they handle any royalties involved with the broadcast, which I would assume is how Eve-Radio does it (Tracking the number of plays of each and every single song vs the peak number of clients during said song and then determining who to pay for each is quite a nightmare if you don't go through one of those services). I'm not complaining about the Jukebox being removed, I am talking about how since they are integrating 3rd party software, they should do it with more than just Twitch. Eve Radio would add a whole new level to the political climate of the game. Also, your statement about them needing help to integrate it..... You can access audio streams in just about anything with little difficulty. Hell, Windows media player has a feature to do that....


(( Okay, cant answer this as Aischa.
I clearly doubt you have heared anything from Gebühreneinzugszentrale (GEZ) ?
They are matter of effect a nightmare to google over the last years. At least from user perspective, but I guess for google too.
They demand damn lot of money if you are able to play something. The fact that the windows media player has this function does not mean microsoft has not payed some agreement for it or does diobolic things with your computer - like DRM - to enforce these rights on you.

I respect the descision that the jukebox went missing, I rather have a good Game then a bad player. You get wonderfull and a lot better onesm, then Eve yould offer.
For Radio fire your favourite player up and ALT-Tab from the game. I guess radio does not need much attion, does it?

my regards!
))
Lord Zilla Waffer
The Sovereign Forge
#6 - 2013-10-09 16:22:32 UTC
Erm, it was more about endorsing it than being able to use it. Anyone can use it via alt+tab. But if it was endorsed, then more than just veteran players would know about it and it might become a large facet of the game.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#7 - 2013-10-09 17:57:23 UTC
If major labels start hearing about how their music is being integrated into a for-profit game, they WILL demand money for it. They will consider CCP to be making money off their music, and will likely take CCP to court over it for lost profits.

EVE-Radio is free right now because of legal protections and allowances that exist for non-profit radio stations. They don't need to pay the same kind of prices somebody playing it within a subscription fee would.

Katrina Oniseki